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Which model Silver Star have I bought?
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Mickdal
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bart wrote:
Interesting, what kind of body material do they have?


They have the same body as the Springy Sound, just different routing, the SS60 (extremely rare) has the same routing as a Springy though, the material is Alder and Ash for high end.

Mick

Edit: and Sen Ash for high end.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok great!
Should they all have the model number stamped on the last fret or only sometimes?
This one for example has not:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tokai-Silver-Star-Guitar-Black-MIJ_W0QQitemZ320239451137QQihZ011QQ
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stratman i bought a TS-9 mod to an 808 using the original vintage chip JRC 4558D not a reissue + 3 more chips with it,he bought that from the states, lost a few bucks selling that one bought it off of the same guy last year on e-bay.No problems
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bart wrote:
Ok great!
Should they all have the model number stamped on the last fret or only sometimes?
This one for example has not:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tokai-Silver-Star-Guitar-Black-MIJ_W0QQitemZ320239451137QQihZ011QQ


i think it depends on the year guitar was made. my 79 SS has stamped 36 on last fret
I also play this guitar a lot, bridge pickup is a little bit thin but I use mostly neck and middle pickups and they both sounds great. and she's like a toy. definitelly a price/performance strat.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bart wrote:
Ok great!
Should they all have the model number stamped on the last fret or only sometimes?
This one for example has not:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tokai-Silver-Star-Guitar-Black-MIJ_W0QQitemZ320239451137QQihZ011QQ


I am sure that the stamping after the last fret ended in 1980 (same as the Springy etc), from 1981 Tokai started to use the small black oval shaped sticker on the back of the neck, near the neck plate, for the strats, and the back of the headstock for the Lesters.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see any stamp on the end of the fretboard on the pics of mine, so I assume that means its a 1980/81/82?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is the nut width 42mm also on these? Or something else?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, post or send me pics and I?ll try to decipher it....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll post pics when I get it - the seller says he's going to send it tomorrow. Just got in from a Tokai-only rehearsal - played my new white Goldstar 90% of the time, my Springy ST80 the rest of the time. Very impressed with the Goldie - compares well with the Springy,which cost more than twice as much. The SS is going to have a hard job to compete with the Goldie.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Mike!

I really like the necks on these. They're a little skinnier than Goldstar/Springys--41 mm at the nut, at least on mine. Your SS is probably a 1982 from the serial on the neck--same rules apply as other Tokais I presume. These will only have the model stamped into the neck if they're from mid-1980 or earlier (same as other Tokai guitars).

A few drawbacks to the lower end models that I've noticed: no brass ground wiring harness under tone controls, so-so tuners, 2 piece neck, and flat-pole pickups. None of these are really big deals, and these pickups can actually sound really good depending on your setup. These are nice guitars with good old wood, and great feeling necks.

The higher end Silver Stars improve greatly as you go up in model. I have an SS-80, an SS-50 (or maybe 60, or 48--not exactly sure), and an SS-36 or 38 like this one. The SS-80 is a great guitar--V neck, nitro finish, Dimarzio pickups (I recently read FS-1 model--can't confirm this--they have black backs) and a 1-piece sen body. It's got unusual brass saddles and a brass nut that just make it sing. At first I found the Dimarzio pickups a bit too hot for my liking. I had replaced them with a spare set of Tokai U-stamps, but I recently reinstalled the originals and found that by just changing my amp settings a bit it sounds great, and different in a nice way from my Springys and Goldstars. The Dimarzio pickups nicely define each note--you can hear everything you play, if that makes any sense.... and loads of gain if you want it. The tuners on it are a lot like Schallers--not traditional looking at all, but really smooth, nice high ratio and totally stay in tune.

http://s215.photobucket.com/albums/cc152/gothamcitydrugstore/

I just got my SS-50 and 38 last week (again, not exactly certain about these). The 50 has the same tuners as my SS-80, but a C-profile neck and poly finish. It's got staggered pole pickups (grey-back, but unmarked), brass ground wiring harness, and chrome saddles. The nut is regular plastic. I like the C-profile neck more than the V with a neck this thin--the nut is 41mm. The pickups on this are quite nice.

The flat-pole pickups on the SS-38 are fairly interesting, but they sound about the same to me as the ones in my Goldstar TST-40, so I've swapped them out for a set of grey-backed Tokai VIIs that I bought on ebay. This guitar now has the nicest strat-chime--wow! I'm not impressed with the tuners, but they work and stay in tune which is what they're supposed to do. Again, the C-shape of the neck feels very good with a neck this skinny.

These clearly were Tokai's run at Fender's current models when they first came out. I've owned 2 1970's Fender strats (both long sold, although I wish I had waited a bit longer to sell...), and I like all of these better. The higher end models are worth waiting for--they come up the odd time. The tuners feel really nice on these, and the 80 models are finished in nitro. There was an SS-80 model on ebay recently--I don't think it sold, and it was listed at $600 US.

I think SS-60s are about the same as my SS-50, but have the brass saddles with a plastic nut. I can't verify this, but this is what I remember from compulsive ebay auction watching. Not sure what pickups they have either. All in all, Silver Stars are underrated IMO.

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

All in all - Silverstars ARE under-rated.
Just to clear up a few points . . .
* ONLY 78 - 82 SS-80's had Brass saddles and Ash bodies.
* model stamps on fretboard finished early-1980
* body blanks were same as springy / goldstar
* 36/38 & 40 series - same build spec - different colours
* 48 & 50 series - same build spec - different colours
* ALL SS-60 have 4-bolt necks
* DiMarzio FS-1's have much wider pole pieces than anything

play nice and have fun

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK guys, it arrived this morning. Haven't had a chance to try it properly, but a brief test suggests that it feels good (and looks pretty good too), but is maybe rather thin sounding. Changing pickups is always a possibility in the future.

I'll post pics later.

A question about the micro-tilt neck - how do you adjust it? Do I just have to find the right size of Allen key to put into the small hole? The bridge saddles are almost at the bottom of their adjustment, so tilting the neck back a touch should help with the action - a bit like putting a shim under the body end of the neck.

It seems to be a three piece alder body, nicely joined but without the grain being matched like it is on my Springys. Which is fair enough for the lower price. It looks like the bottom part of the headstock is joined, which makes it a two piece neck. The neck is nice and slim, the tuners seem OK.

So, to sum up, it's from after 1980, as it clearly had the sticker on the back of the neck, which has now gone. Before 1983, because of the older type decal. Does everyone agree with cheshirecatsmile's verdict that it's a 1982?

It seems that it must be an SS36, SS38 or SS40 from what people have said? I'll take some pics under the scratchplate later, when I put a .022 cap into it - are there any clues I can look out for to decide if it's a 36, 38 or 40?

Thanks everyone for your help - looks like I started an interesting discussion about Silver Stars. I am right in thinking that these were only released in Japan, aren't I?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A question about the micro-tilt neck - how do you adjust it?


I had a go at one of mine when I first got it to straighten out the action, which was a bit high at the 12th fret. I don't know if this is the correct method, but it seems to have worked well on mine. Find an Allen key that fits the slot at the back (metric I believe--I think there is a recent post where Luis measured his--I can't remember the exact size--I just rummaged in a bin till I found one that fit!). Loosen up the 3 screws on the neck plate a bit (1/2 turn or so?--just so there's a bit of play on the neck). I think I also tuned the strings down so they were not at full tension, but still taut. Turn the Allen key slowly until your action is straight, or at least adjustable with the bridge saddles, then tighten the screws back up. You may need to fine tune the action further at the bridge saddles.

Another approach might be to set your bridge saddles to a good medium height before adjusting the tilt. You may have to do a little bit of further fine tuning on individual strings with the bridge saddles after adjusting the tilt, but this might be a better way of getting your bridge saddles into a position where you have play on either direction, as well as possibly being a bit easier, as you know your saddles are about where you want them when you're adjusting the tilt. Hope that makes sense...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll buy one when i find a black one with maple neck
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Chris. I've put heavier strings on, so I'm waiting for the truss rod to settle down after being tightened. I'll have another go at getting the action right tomorrow.







It is surprisingly thin sounding, compared to my Goldstar with U pickups. I was surprised that the pickups measure as stronger than the Us - they don't sound like it. I guess it must be the way they are voiced - perhaps some sort of treble peak to make them sound more like 70s Fender pickups? The Us measure around 6.1/6.2k, these ones read 6.3/6.5k.

Here are the pics, for anyone who is interested:

http://s183.photobucket.com/albums/x153/stratman323/Tokai%20Silver%20Star/
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