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Dating a Fernandes Super Grade. Please, help.
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brokenstringshurt
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Dating a Fernandes Super Grade. Please, help. Reply with quote

Hello. First of all excuse me if my english has some mistakes. I'm from Spain.

I've been visiting this site in the last two months as a guest. Thank God there is a place like this. I believe this is the place where you need to go if you really want useful and accurate information about these lovely japanese guitars, so my most sincere congratulations to all the people who takes care of this site, and to all the regular members.

There I go...

I recently have bought a Fernandes Super Grade (my very first japan copy guitar). As you probably have read a billion times, I am the typical case of someone who buys a Burny/Fernandes and would like to date the guitar with your help and expert eyes.

Reading some topics I believe is from the 90's, but I'm not sure. The pick-ups have an sticker sayin "VH-1", but we all know that this doesn't mean they are VH-1...

The body seems to me like a 2-piece. The mahogany is more brown than red.

It weights truly a lot: 5 kg (I believe this is equal to 10 pounds in english system)

There's a serial number stamped on the neck pick up cavity, but you must be some kind of Indiana Jones lookin' for clues to be able to know what these guys at Fernandes wrote there

The logo says Fernandes, and not Burny. Do you know what this means?. Is this guitar an export model or something like that?.

Has the fret edge binding and, maybe a medium tenon?

I'm not a collector, I buy my guitars for the way they sounds. And this Fernandes sounds just incredible. I have a lot of friends with Gibsons so I have had the opportunity to compare, and everybody agree this Fernandes sounds better.

I'm going to try to put the photos here...hope it works

Any help will be much appreciated.




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum and your English is better than mine and I'm English!!

I think you are correct in thinking it's an early '90's model, thats just based on the info here:

http://www.japanguitars.co.uk/burny%20info.html

Lovely looking guitar, but at 5kg I'm glad I'm not wearing it

As you know Burny is part of the Fernandes group. Normally the Strat types were branded Fernandes and the LP's Burny, but they did vary this a bit. If the stickers say VH-1 then they probably are, but the earlier VH-1's with the braided wire are the pickups everyone goes mad for, the later ones with the grey wire like yours are still good pickups though.

Enjoy the guitar and take care of your back
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RLG-50? RLG-70?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your kind replies

20 years reading english guitar mags, but in an english restaurant I will end hungry, I'm afraid (75% of my english vocabulary is guitar-related words...)

So we can say this Fernandes is from the 90's and a RLG model (a heavy RLG model).

(Volunteers to kidnap someone from Fernandes to get information about the serial numbers in their guitars?)

I add a photo from the back, where you can see why I believe is a 2-piece body.



I have a Gibson bridge and I've tested it. It's amazing how these guys made these guitars. It fits with absolute precision.

It's a logical thing, I believe (where can you get spare parts for these guitars?. Go to Gibson...a nice revenge maybe)

I must say that of all the Gibsons that this Fernandes was tested against only a 58 Custom Shop (plain top) Reissue sounds on the same level. All the Gibsons Les Paul Standard (a 1989, a 1990, a 1994 Studio, and a 2002) sounds average (mediocre) in comparison

Can't imagine how a high end japanese Les Paul copy must sound...people I see here with so many beautiful and incredible sounding guitars must live in constant nirvana.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks nice...I`d like to own it.
One thing though...get a tripod for the camera...or take pics outdoors, or in daylight...I`m gettin` dizzy looking at the pics.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not always the case that a high-end guitar will sound better than a lower-end model, for instance a one-piece back and a pretty top won't make your guitar sound better! I have a Tokai LS120 and a LS80, the 120 definetely looks prettier but the 80 sounds just as good!

As for going hungry in an English resteraunt, count youself lucky! The food here has a bad reputation for a good reason
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool thing about many Japanese restaurants is...they have plastic versions of whats on the menu in their windows so if worst comes to worst...just point to what you want. we visited the part of Tokyo where they make and sell that plastic food once...some of it looks very realistic. Took home a bunch of sushi keychains.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let just have beer so that the images get in focus!

Nice guitar, I'd also like to have it
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice guitar indeed. I'm a sucker for tran amber.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RLG-70 but if bought in Spain these were named R-2 here and were distributed by SADEPRA,a great importer and very nice and knowledege people.Just notice how it is fernandes branded instead of Burny,this means it was for export. and ended bringing Fernandes replicas at the end of 90's maybe somewhere between 1996/98. SADEPRA carries Mesa/Boogie brand among others....I highly recomend them(I?m not affiliated at all).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for your comments. They help me a lot.

My camera is one of my worst enemies, sorry. I know I'll better look for a new one instead of another tube screamer...

I bought this Fernandes in a private transaction with a French person, and he was the second owner, and he bought the guitar from a German seller in (I believe) 1994 (so I'm it's third owner), so the guitar has not been imported directly to Spain. R2 was the name used all along Europe or only in Spain?


P.D.: sneakyjapan, in Spain plastic food has great success on December 28th...the Innocence Sants day, but with a difference. Nobody tells you is plastic until you discover it by yourself (too late, usually).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

next time I`ll try the beer...thanks for the tip.
I sent plastic spaghetti to my sister`s kids for Christmas last December. Hope they didn`t try to eat it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
As for going hungry in an English resteraunt, count youself lucky! The food here has a bad reputation for a good reason


Maybe up in the frozen North, John......

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
JohnA wrote:
As for going hungry in an English resteraunt, count youself lucky! The food here has a bad reputation for a good reason


Maybe up in the frozen North, John......

Mike


Now don't start that again

Just a general observation that restaurants in the UK are generally not up to the standard of similar priced places on the continent, France, Spain and in particular Italy.

Sure there are some good 'fancy' restaurants down South, with prices to match, I'm sure we had one round here once but I was too busy looking after the whippets to visit!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey I`m Canadian...youse wanna talk about the frozen north?
My mom is from Ealing...though she is a good cook...or maybe was, she suffers from Alzheimers now... it`s true not many folks visit England on the culinary tours, still...must be OK since you fellas seem to be in good health. But whats up with that jellied eel thing?
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