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Greco Super Real Catalogue English Specs and Pickups
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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Greco Super Real Catalogue English Specs and Pickups Reply with quote

From http://ksa242.izhranma.org/jvguitars_greco_eg-series.ru.html and info at http://brochures.yokochou.com/guitar-and-amp/greco/1980-2/en_index.html and my Greco pickup post http://forum.japanaxe.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=768 I'm able to post the complete 1980 Greco Super Real catalogue English specs.

EGF1800: Mahogany one layer body, Flame Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Brazilian Rosewood Fingerboard, Dry Z pickups.

EGF1000: Mahogany one layer body, Flame Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Brazilian Rosewood Fingerboard, PAF DiMarzio pickups (DP103?).

EG1000CB, EG1000CBS, EG1000CR: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black, Black Sunburst, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Ebony Fingerboard, Dry Z pickups.

EG900B, EG900R, EG900S, EG900T: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black, Red Sunburst, Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Indian Rosewood Fingerboard, PAF DiMarzio pickups (DP103?).

EGF850: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Indian Rosewood Fingerboard, PU-2 pickups.

Nitro finish for the models above and poly finish for the models below but from new information and acetone tests, some EG500-EG800 (50,000-80,000 Yen) Super Real models have a Nitro finish. Also some early 1982-1985 lower model Mint Collection Grecos such as the EGC57-60 (60,000 Yen) model with Screamin pickups have been found to have a nitro finish.

EG800GS: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Gold finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Ebony Fingerboard, Hot Lick P-90 type pickups.

EG800CB, EG800CBS, EG800CR: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black, Black Sunburst, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Ebony Fingerboard, PU-2 pickups.

EG800PB (Peter Frampton 3 pickups): Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Ebony Fingerboard, U-2000 pickups.

EG800PR (Ace Frehley 3 pickups): Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Ebony Fingerboard, U-2000 pickups.

EG800B, EG800R, EG800S, EG800T: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black, Red Sunburst, Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Indian Rosewood Fingerboard, PU-2 pickups.

EG700B, EG700R, EG700S, EG700T, EG700G: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black, Red Sunburst, Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst, Gold finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, U-2000 pickups.

EG600PB (Peter Frampton 3 pickups): Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Black finish, Mahogany neck, Ebony Fingerboard, U-1000 pickups.

EG600PR (Ace Frehley 3 pickups): Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany neck, Ebony Fingerboard, U-1000 pickups.

EG500B, EG500R, EG500S, EG500T: Mahogany body, Maple three piece top, Black, Red Sunburst, Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, U-1000 pickups.

EG500CB, EG500CR: Mahogany body, Maple three piece top, Black, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, UD pickups.

EG500J (Jeff Beck): Mahogany body, Maple three piece top, Dark Green finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, U-1000 pickups.

EG500GS: Mahogany body, Maple three piece top, Gold finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, UD-DX pickups (mini humbuckers?).

Super Real logos for all of the above models and no logos for the models below.

Fret edge binding for all of the above models and no fret edge binding and sometimes chambered bodies for the models below.

EG480R, EG480S: Mahogany body, Flamed Sycamore top, Red Sunburst, Sunburst finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, UD pickups.

EG450B, EG450R, EG450S, EG450T: Mahogany body, Sycamore top, Black, Red Sunburst, Sunburst, Tobacco Sunburst finish, Mahogany neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, UD pickups.

All of the pickups have a 2XXXXX or a 1XXXXX Nisshin Onpa (Maxon) stamp including the DiMarzio PAFs. The DiMarzio PAFs have "DIMARZIO PICKUPS" "MADE IN USA" imprinted on the baseplate.

FujiGen obtained a CNC router in mid 1981 for making guitar parts and also began to manufacture their own pickups starting in late 1981 which means that the Super Reals are made in a more hands on way with no CNC computer controlled routing machines used and the Mint Collection were made with CNC computer controlled routing machines and it also means that the Super Reals have Nisshin Onpa (Maxon) made pickups and the Mint Collection have FujiGen made pickups.

The Super Reals usually have a medium tenon that often has dowels

In the 1981 catalogue the truss rod cover changes from a Gibson style to a curved style and the EG500 and EG480 and EG450 have Super Power logos and the customs don't have Gibson split diamond inlays.
The 1981 Greco EG800B, EG800R, EG800S, EG800T has no Super Real logo and some could have 1980 serial numbers.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you. Amazing information. I appreciate it and the effort!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should definitely be stickied.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again japanst, reading you is a pleasure.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat:

I was in the midst of purchasing a 1980 Greco EGF-850 at the time you posted this good information. I think I'd disagree on the highlighted information:

EGF850: Mahogany one layer body, Maple two piece top, Red Sunburst finish, Mahogany one piece neck, Indian Rosewood Fingerboard, PU-2 pickups.

Here's an actual picture of the upper portion of the board. I've been around a long time looking at Brazilian and this appears to be such. I could be wrong ... and if I am, that's OK. It is one gorgeous hunk of wood. Thanks again for your post. It was very helpful. Joe

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The catalog information is correct, it is a translation.

In 1980, it is known, that Brazilian Rosewood was also used on the EGF850, due to an abundance at that time, Brazilian Rosewood was standard for the EGF1000 and above in 1980, then in 1981 only the EGF1200 and above have Brazilian Rosewood.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, forgot to add

Damn nice EGF850 you have f5joe, and with a Brazilian Board too, nice figuring example.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mickdal: It was JohnA's a while back. Excellent piece.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes Grecos will vary from the catalogue specs but most Grecos will be near the catalogue specs.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of boards... would a 1985 Mint Co EG58/120 with Dry-Z's have a Brazilian board?
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a 1985 EG58-120 would have DRY-1982 as stock not DRY-Z

but didnt you change them i seem to remember?

re the braz, its unlikely, but post some pics...
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes....The guitar came with 1 Dry-Z and 1 gold bottom Dimarzio.. I did change them out to (2) Dry-Z's and wow what a sound....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a 1980 Greco Super Real catalogue.

The 1980 prices of Greco pickups were

Dry 20,000 Yen
PU-2 15,000 Yen
U-2000 12,000 Yen
U-1000 10,000 Yen

These are the 1980 models and their pickups

EGF1800 DRY
EGF1200 DRY
EGF1000 PAF DiMarzio
EG1000C DRY
EG900 PAF DiMarzio
EGF850 PU-2
EG800GS HOT LICK (P-90)
EG800C PU-2
EG800PB U-2000
EG800PR U-2000
EG800 PU-2
EG700 U-2000
EG600PB U-1000
EG600PR U-1000
EG500 U-1000
EG500C UD
EF500J U-1000
EG500GS UD-DX (P-90)
EG480 UD
EG450 UD

All of the above pickups were made by Nisshin Onpa (Maxon) except for the DiMarzios. Around 1981/1982 Fujigen start making their own pickups which are the Dry 82, Screamin etc pickups in the Mint Collection Series.

Greco and Ibanez pickup serial numbers consisting of 5 numbers up to and including 1977.

First number 1, 2, etc = Maxon Pickup code
Second number = Year (7=1977)
Third number = Month (0=Jan ... 9=Oct then .=Nov, X=Dec)
Fourth and Fifth number = Day of Month (01-31)

Greco and Ibanez pickup serial numbers consisting of 6 numbers from 1977 to 1982.

First number 1, 2, etc = Maxon Pickup code
Second number = Year (9=1979)
Third and Fourth number = Month (01=Jan ... 12=Dec)
Fifth and sixth number = Day of Month (01-31)

1974 Greco SG (made by Matsumoku) Maxon pickup with a 3 first number code.





All of these pickups (Greco U-1000, Greco Dry Z, Ibanez Super 70 etc) have the same Nisshin Onpa (Maxon) codes on them, so they are all made by Nisshin Onpa (Maxon).

Greco Maxon pickups.

1976 Greco U-4000 pickups



1977 Greco U-1000 pickups





1978 Greco PU-0



1980 Greco Dry Z



1980 Greco PU-2 pickups



1980 Greco UD pickups (note chambered body)



Ibanez Maxon pickups.

1976 Ibanez Super 70 pickup



1977 Ibanez Super 70 pickup



1977 Ibanez Super 70 pickup



1979 Ibanez Super 70 pickup



1981 Ibanez Super58 (210909)




from a 1978 DiMarzio catalog




DiMarzio pickups have 3 small holes in each plastic bobbin top whereas the Maxon pickups have 2 small holes in each plastic bobbin top.







Some Grecos also have 5XXXXX serial number pickups which could have been made by Fujigen or Maxon or Gotoh



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
i know that black egc got it a week ago .... very light but it sounds very good .... a 4 piece top and 2 piece body .... long mint tenor .... big oil caps .... wrong knobs ,,, the rest is org(the switch has been changed) .... and the pickup number with a 5 first ...and it has a lot off clouding on the bod? ....
all the best otto
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its flamed..

does this automatically qualify as a super real EGF?

because I borrowed my friends LP.

its flamed, but doesn't have that super real script on the headstock, plus its pretty light like an Edwards LP. the neck is fatter than my EGF.

PUs was removed by seller.

Help?

TIA.
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