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"EDWARDS" by ESP are officially NOT MADE IN JAPAN!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:31 pm    Post subject: "EDWARDS" by ESP are officially NOT MADE IN JAPAN! Reply with quote

hello guys i finally got the answer today OFFICIALLY from ESP!
and guess what? YES we are right that EDWARDS gtrs are MOSTLY
MADE IN CHINA only the parts assembly is done in JAPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

here's the translation of the official email from ESP tokyo headoffice
today.........


" EDWARDS guitars are made in our ESP CHINA factory fully
(from wood working to painting) not by other OEM factories there.
and ONLY the final parts assembly and set-up are done at
our new tokyo factory. "


so after all, when all, the body&neck and plus the finish are
totally beautifully done at ther chinese factory and only
the final parts assembly and set-up are done in japan,
if we call them which country they are made in?
i guess to be fair we must say they are "MADE IN CHINA".
since more than 60% is now obviously made in china.....
i knew this sure since everytime i called ESP they never
say it clearly. always unclear and sometimes even lying.
dirty and silly ESP. i thought so! sorry sneaky. go home!

so ............edwards gtrs are mostly "MADE IN CHINA"
NOT MADE IN JAPAN..............

they are great value gtrs however so this shouldnt be any
problem unless you hate chinese products somehow.
better to be non-prejudice always to be happy in this
global years world. here's the original email from ESP today.
if you wanna read it then you can try in anyways.........
hey mick yo. we are right on all the way from the beginning!!!!!!







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お客様より受信いたしました問い合わせメールの依頼内容について
回答させて頂きました。
お手数ですがご確認下さいますようお願い申し上げます。

--お問い合わせ内容--------------------------------------------
edwardsのギターは次のどれですか?
@中国製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
@韓国製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
@ベトナム製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
知らせて下さい。よろしく。吉田。

--回答--------------------------------------------------------
EDWARDSは、木工~塗装までを弊社中国工場(下請けではありません)にて行い、組み込み~セットアップを新東京工場にて行っております。








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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ the original official ESP reply about edwards gtrs.........

お客様より受信いたしました問い合わせメールの依頼内容について
回答させて頂きました。
お手数ですがご確認下さいますようお願い申し上げます。

--お問い合わせ内容--------------------------------------------
edwardsのギターは次のどれですか?
@中国製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
@韓国製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
@ベトナム製・日本で部品取り付けなど。
知らせて下さい。よろしく。吉田。

--回答--------------------------------------------------------
EDWARDSは、木工~塗装までを弊社中国工場(下請けではありません)にて行い、組み込み~セットアップを新東京工場にて行っております。


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新規問い合わせの場合は下記URLよりお願い致します。
https://espguitars.sslserve.jp/customer/form.html

Webサイトにも製品等に関するFAQページを記載しております。
是非ご活用ください。
http://www.espguitars.co.jp/customer/faq.html

今後とも弊社製品をご愛用頂きたく、よろしくお願い申し上げます。

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

--回答--------------------------------------------------------
EDWARDSは、木工~塗装までを弊社中国工場(下請けではありません)にて行い、組み込み~セットアップを新東京工場にて行っております。


this part is the ESP official answer.....try to read it if you could and
be sure yourself!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why 4 postings for ONE INFORMATION ???
BTW ... who could tell me that it isn't a fake as well as the MIJ sticker ???
Roger
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why 4 postings for ONE INFORMATION ???


coz i made it all easy for ya to understand/see the proofs good.
didnt you get it??? anyways.........
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting Post Joe.

It's not really surprising.

All Yamaha Saxophones used to be made in Japan but now the mid and lower priced Yamaha Saxophones are made in Indonesia and China but in Yamaha owned factories with Yamaha quality control.
There are hardly any differences between the previously Japanese made Yamahas and the newer Indonesian and Chinese made Yamahas.

Edwards and ESP's situation would be similar to the Yamaha situation.

There are probably Japanese ESP trained staff at the factory in China overseeing quality control.

If the major companies own the factories and do their own quality control then it really doesn't matter where they are made.

If the major companies subcontract out to factories they don't own then they have less control over quality control.

I think it's just too expensive to make mid/lower priced items in Japan nowadays.

Were some of the early Edwards made in Japan and when did they switch to China, probably when the ESP China factory opened?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
If the major companies own the factories and do their own quality control then it really doesn't matter where they are made.


Makes sense. What is the situation with Tokai China? I believe that Tokai don't own a Chinese factory, they just sub-contract the production work - do Tokai have QC staff based in China? If not, that might explain the negative comments about some of the most recent batch.

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like ESP opened their Chinese factory in 1992.

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/company-info/outline.html

The translator had a few chicken problems

1992 March: Establishing ESP-CHAINA on the Chinese Kokuriyuu river economical chicken west.


As far as I know, Fernandes and Tokai sub contract their Chinese made guitars.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Why 4 postings for ONE INFORMATION ???
BTW ... who could tell me that it isn't a fake as well as the MIJ sticker ???
Roger


I just can't believe the stupid remarks that sometimes come from our senior members, Tudor, this a fact mate and now the balls in your court , if you think you know better then lets hear it .......don't shoot the messenger.

Thanks Joe this is what i was told almost 2 years ago and once again the info came from ESP, never mind mate, you can't help everyone.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
Seems like ESP opened their Chinese factory in 1992.

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/company-info/outline.html

The translator had a few chicken problems

1992 March: Establishing ESP-CHAINA on the Chinese Kokuriyuu river economical chicken west.


As far as I know, Fernandes and Tokai sub contract their Chinese made guitars.



i just checked the esp link japanstrat left here and yes its true that
in 1992 ESP established their factory in china and called it ESP-CHINA.
so seems like they are making all the non-japan models there since.
checked where is their factory in china and its actually located in
a pretty extreme but cool place very near russia. the most northern
state of china and on the extreme edge right next to russia.
here's the info from wiki. geez our gtrs coming from so far away!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jixi







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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
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Why 4 postings for ONE INFORMATION ???
BTW ... who could tell me that it isn't a fake as well as the MIJ sticker ???
Roger


I just can't believe the stupid remarks that sometimes come from our senior members, Tudor, this a fact mate and now the balls in your court , if you think you know better then lets hear it .......don't shoot the messenger.

Thanks Joe this is what i was told almost 2 years ago and once again the info came from ESP, never mind mate, you can't help everyone.

Mick


thanks very much mick. i was a bit pissed off at him too actually
but tried to stay cool this time. almost was gonna kick his dumb
ass pretty hard. anyways its always, sometimes, why are they
fxxking us when we are just helping us sharing good infos?
really strange if we really think about it. anyways mick, thanks!





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep up the good info mate, it is very much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter where my Edwards was made, I still love it. Wish Edwards just would have come out and announced it - maybe that explains why on my 07 Edwards there is no inscription saying "Made In Japan". TOKAI JOE, what the deal with the Mountain Dew petition?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cashcow wrote:
No matter where my Edwards was made, I still love it. Wish Edwards just would have come out and announced it - maybe that explains why on my 07 Edwards there is no inscription saying "Made In Japan". TOKAI JOE, what the deal with the Mountain Dew petition?


hi cashcow. dew is my most fav drink and america's fav. it was
only briefly available in uk before. u know its soda so bad and
good about it but anyways dew is so good to me i just believe
they should be available in uk always and in other places too.
i just found this site oneday so if u like please leave your name.
hope someday anytime soon we can all drink dew anywhere
in the world. i would like to live in uk someday but this NO DEW
uk situation is very hard for me there i am sure....anyways thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Dew

http://www.petitiononline.com/MDUK/petition.html


@ is it still NO DEW in uk this year?






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