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ORVILLE BY GIBSON or TOKAI?
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shaunfreak
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:10 pm    Post subject: ORVILLE BY GIBSON or TOKAI? Reply with quote

Anyone A/B'd a Orville LP against a Tokai of around the same era?

How was comparative build quality/finish/hardware etc???


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting and what about Greco and Burny.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Shaunfreak,Orville by Gibson are high end replicas with Gibson pickups, hardware and nitro finish.Orville on the other hand are the lower spec models ie japanese pickups,hardware and poly finish (still well made though!).

Mickey where you at, I'm from just down the road in Darlo.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: holes Reply with quote

and as i understand it,,,orville also utilizes weight relief holes in the body of the guitars. the lp's anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey up Prince your from Darlo eh? Are you a football fan? I'm from the good old capital of the North East....................Hartlepool.

Small world mate.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dead right mate H'angus the monkey, he was Hartlepool Utd mascot. A monkey was once hanged in Hartlepool suspected of being a spy from France so H'angus! get it? When Pools are playing at home he comes on the pitch with a plastic guitar and Whole Lotta Rosie by AC/DC is played over the P.A. I'ts usually better than the football.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Mojo speaks the truth,the 'French spy incident' did take place.If you ever find yourself in Hartlepool get yourself down to the pub....the locals love to talk about it!
Welcome aboard Mickey!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post, loverockerUK.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about the BRAND NAME .. Their build quality are pretty much the same just different design or which GIbbie model they were replicating....They are were made in the same factory with the same workers... Their main differences are the electronics... that's all...

I now much prefered new BACCHUS, EDWARDS, and MOMOSE.. you can't go wrong with any of these...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijin wrote:
It's all about the BRAND NAME .. Their build quality are pretty much the same just different design or which GIbbie model they were replicating....They are were made in the same factory with the same workers...

Greco, Burny, Orville and ObG are indeed from the same factory as far as I know. Tokai is not from the same factory.

As for the Orville vs Tokai - hard to say. All I know is that I prefer my Tokai over my friend's early 90s Greco (I prefer the Tokai's neck profile and it is a bit lighter), but the Greco is still an excellent guitar. I'd buy one - great guitars and the price on Grecos and Burnys is much better than on Tokais (and Orvilles by the way). Especially the price difference between Greco/Burny and the regular Orvilles is ironic because they are indeed essentially the same guitar. Maybe we shouldn't talk about this too much though, we'd be giving up some of the last 'Japanese secrets' and I might be interested in getting a cheap SG to add to my meager electric collection in the future


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I now much prefered new BACCHUS, EDWARDS, and MOMOSE.. you can't go wrong with any of these...

Funnily enough, I believe Edwards is also from the Greco/Burny/Orville factory
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Funnily enough, I believe Edwards is also from the Greco/Burny/Orville factory" ....ArthurS

hehehe.. probably... I remember asking most of not all Japanese guitar shop owner that I go to (from Hokkaido to Shikoku) about Tokai.. And their replied were "they were all are from the same factory"..
But then who cares which Japanese factory they came from... hehehe.. They are all finely made LP... Tokai in Japan is not as popular like they use to.. And according to them, Tokai just does not have the quality like they use to or comparing to other manufacturer like BACCHUS, EDWARDS, etc...
But as far as highest quality with the best bang for your buck kind of deal. IMHO, look for BACCHUS BLS-140, BLS-59, BLS-120, BLS-240 ...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 6 orvilles and none have weight relief holes...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: holes Reply with quote

lasher wrote:
and as i understand it,,,orville also utilizes weight relief holes in the body of the guitars. the lp's anyway.


No. It has been done on a few models. probably the ones made in Korea. On most Orville models I have tried it was exactly the same spec as the orville by Gison exept the pick up.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very hard to do, because like Gibson there is not a lot of consistency. I've owned good and bad ones from all years. I would give the nod to the OBG over the std. Orville. And I've owned some great Greco's . I can't say I ever owned a Burny that I held on to for very long. The tokai's feel different too. And of course my Gibsons feel different from all the above. You either have to find one you like , or swap out the parts and do the setup until you get it right for you.
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