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F/S LS200, 1981
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Mick51
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely stunning top and finish.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rupert, are you saying you have a pre 1983 LS-200 with a long tennon???

i would be very interested to see a pic, as I have never ever seen a pre 83 tokai with a long tenon...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
What are the two metal buttons between the tone pots for? Was it coil tapped at one time?


Seems to be the back / head of the screws which you can see in the cavity beetween the tone pots ... for grounding purpose ???
IMO ... this lousy job is nearly a sacrilege ...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tudor wrote:

Seems to be the back / head of the screws which you can see in the cavity beetween the tone pots ... for grounding purpose ???
IMO ... this lousy job is nearly a sacrilege ...
Roger


Nah, I think they are just leftovers from two mini-toggles put in years ago to split the coils. Then when the switches came out, screwed these into the remaining holes, rather than plugging them. A couple weeks ago, I saw a higher-end Tokai with mini-switches in exactly the same location.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mick51 wrote:

Nah, I think they are just leftovers from two mini-toggles put in years ago to split the coils. Then when the switches came out, screwed these into the remaining holes, rather than plugging them. A couple weeks ago, I saw a higher-end Tokai with mini-switches in exactly the same location.


+ 1.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark,

my short tenon LS200 is an 84 by serial but an 82 by Tokai, and actually the reason why togps and I did not talk to each other for 2+ years.

I have to admit that I was completely wrong. I thought that he cheated me. Which he didn't, I was wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so theres no long tenon in any tokai pre84 that I have ever seen, all have the routing , but none have the tenon in the routing..

rupes I dont understand sorry, surely thats an 84 serial number....

are you saying it was made in 82, but just not released or stamped until 1984?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi mark,

I am still not at 100%. But what I found through a japanese friend and some research is the following:

- my LS200 was finally stamped in 1984
- she was built by order in 1981
- Seymour remembers the pups; they are 18% underwound then what he did at this time (documented, with all paperwork)
- the fretboard is south-brazilian, which Tokai ran out of 1982 (that's just manufacturing record)
- the american who ordered her never paid (again, paperwork existing)
- she was sitting at Tokai until 1988, then the track was lost

Perhaps Gottfried can shed some light onto her?

I am still checking on the Grovers, they are 18:1 while they should be 15:1. Very weird. Grover says they never made this version.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the 200 stamp on the fretboard was never put on?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just remember some conversations with Peter Mac some time ago about some claimed to be LS-200 appeared in japan yahoo auctions,we agreed some were very dubiduos to both but you cannot be 100% sure with Tokai as far as there are no old records according to them.I can say some guitars sold on yahoo auctions were not what claimed to be so if someone bought one of those(I don?t know) maybe got an incorrect model(easily to know if you check specs claimed when you got it).
I don?t know what to say...I trust Peter 100%.

PS: I?m not saying this one for sale was one of those discussed with Peter..
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rup, could you just place the correct image URL in your posts?
your photos would then show up in your posts

I tried to 'copy & paste' the links but none of them work ...............

for an international connoisseur of striped chairs, you should be able to do much better ................
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks very like my LS-150 from 1984, ebony board..
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich - you do know the post before your was March 2009 .....

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