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Goldstar TST-60 on ebay
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Goldstar TST-60 on ebay Reply with quote

A rare bird indeed...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmm, says st-60 on the heading and st-50 in the description.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but it does say 60 on the sticker.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

E pickups? I thought we established, in a recent post, that a Goldie ST60 was exactly the same as an ST50 except that it had VII pickups rather than Us or VIs?

Is that alder? I don't recall ever seing such a grain-free piece of alder - looks more like basswood. I know Fender Japan used basswood in the 80s, but I don't think Tokai did?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my 50 had U's, presumably a 60 in the same run would have had E's?
I'm guessing the early Goldstar runs were identical to the Springys, apart from the name, and used the same pickups.
I agree the wood looks plain, but the routing seems very Tokai to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 50s have Us (well the black one has unstamped pickups!), my 55s (both now gone) had VIs. But in a recent post, someone (settebello?) posted pics of an ST60, & it had VIIs. I thought we had established that was the difference between a 50 & a 60?

I agree the routing looks fine, I'm not suggesting it's not genuine, just very plain alder.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: st-60 Goldstars Reply with quote

I've seen a few on Yahoo japan that are stickered 60 on the necks and have had "E" pups. Maybe the VI / VII is a European thing.

All St-50's I've looked in have had VI's.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: alder grain. Reply with quote

Can someone please post picks of archetypal Alder grain, Ash grain. I have taken a st-80 in part x and he asures me it's sump ash and was only available on a custom order.

It was bought by a guy in Japan who married on Irish girl who gave it a sister who's husband part exed it with me. He didn't seem to be bragging about this body wood but he seemed uneasy. I got it for a very good price so I'm not worried just very curious. I can't post pics at mo becuase my nipper has stood on my camera. The grain is unlike anything I've seen
but I'm positive it is a genuine Tokai.

SO if anyone's got some stange grained spiringy can they post a pic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: alder grain. Reply with quote

makaze wrote:
Can someone please post picks of archetypal Alder grain, Ash grain. I have taken a st-80 in part x and he asures me it's sump ash and was only available on a custom order.


My understanding (from this forum) is that 80s "ash" Tokais were Sen, a Japanese (or Oriental) type of ash. Swamp ash is (I believe) a North American wood, & is sometimes used by Fender.

OK, a few examples:

1980 Springy ST60 - Sen:



1980 Breezy TE70 - Sen (scratchplate removed):



2004 Fender US 63 Tele - Ash:



1982 Fender US62RI - definitely Alder:



ESP Series 400, date unknown, now a 58 relic. I assume this is Alder:



1982/3 Silver Strat SS36 or 38 - Alder



I think they are all fairly typical. Does this help?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: st-60 Goldstars Reply with quote

makaze wrote:
All St-50's I've looked in have had VI's.


I think that VIs replaced Us in Goldies after about the first year of production, so Us in 1984, VIs after 1985. But I'm not sure about this - can anyone else confirm (or deny) this?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the pics stratman. i'l post this wierd grain springy pics this week i'd be interested in your opinion. it certainly looks nothing like these although i have ha d a similar looking grain before.

my st-80 is def alder, some others i'm still unsure of.

the code for dekota red is OVR, on a goldstar anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OVR? Never heard of that. It isn't listed as a colour in the 1985 catalogue, the only one I have from that era. Do you have a Dakota Red Goldie?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makaze, I'm totally confused by "sump ash" - seems there's only Framus who even use the term. Does it look like any of the following?




Rear of this one, not the maple top:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: st-60 Goldstars Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
makaze wrote:
All St-50's I've looked in have had VI's.


I think that VIs replaced Us in Goldies after about the first year of production, so Us in 1984, VIs after 1985. But I'm not sure about this - can anyone else confirm (or deny) this?


My Goldstar ST-50 has 'U''s

And here's another Goldstar ST60! Very nice one too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-1984-Tokai-Goldstar-TST60-Guitar-Case-Lawsuit_W0QQitemZ120379082391QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item120379082391&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ i saw that one when i was looking through ebay yesterday- it does look very nice. not too convinced by part of the sellers description, though-

"This is the TST60 model which is the most desirable Goldstar model."

apparently the criteria for being the most desirable model is now, "the one i happen to be selling".

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