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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: 1989 Orville LP Reply with quote

Hey guys, I've gotten the opportunity to buy a 1989 Orville By Gibson LP Standard, long tennon neck with 57 classics for $650. I was wondering if I could get some info on the guitars from that time and if they are comparable to gibson lp standards, thanks!

EDIT: the guy says that the guitar was stressed during shipping, enough to crack the nitro finish, but not fracture the wood. Says he will throw in 75 to get the part refinished, so guess that puts the guitar at 575?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't touch that guitar. The guitar was "stressed" in shipping??

That's a cute word for a cracked headstock - the finish cracked like that due to some kind of trauma to the wood underneath. Looks like it was dropped on end.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks too suspicious, IMO; looks like the finish has cracked off due to some type of damage to the underlying wood, as Marcus stated

IMO, I wouldn't risk messing with an example as that
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking to someone who said that they bought a OBG custom and it had the exact same issue, and it had in fact only been a finish crack, and not a headstock break...still worth checking out?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lps wrote:
I was talking to someone who said that they bought a OBG custom and it had the exact same issue, and it had in fact only been a finish crack, and not a headstock break...still worth checking out?


You can't polish a turd. I'd stay away from it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the classic Gibson-type headstock fracture to me. OK, it might not be, but do you really want to take the risk? I wouldn't.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: 1989 Orville LP Reply with quote

lps wrote:
Hey guys, I've gotten the opportunity to buy a 1989 Orville By Gibson LP Standard, long tennon neck with 57 classics for $650. I was wondering if I could get some info on the guitars from that time and if they are comparable to gibson lp standards, thanks!

EDIT: the guy says that the guitar was stressed during shipping, enough to crack the nitro finish, but not fracture the wood. Says he will throw in 75 to get the part refinished, so guess that puts the guitar at 575?
http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0528ox1.jpg


The price says it all. He wants to sell it soon.
It doesn't look like it is just the finish and it doesn't really look like nitro.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run away from this one - NOW! This is the downside of a mahogany neck w/no volute. I had a similar issue w/a Gibson ES330.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scooticus wrote:
Run away from this one - NOW! This is the downside of a mahogany neck w/no volute. I had a similar issue w/a Gibson ES330.


Buy a strat. Last gig I was at, my strap came off of the front horn mid song - headstock bounced off the floor to about knee height with an audible OOOOHHH from the audience.....strapped it back on and it wasn't even out of tune.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
Last gig I was at, my strap came off of the front horn mid song


Don't they sell Grolsch in the flip-top bottles in Dallas?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
marcusnieman wrote:
Last gig I was at, my strap came off of the front horn mid song


Don't they sell Grolsch in the flip-top bottles in Dallas?




Yeah but the gaskets only come in red.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So don't they sell red guitars in Dallas?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
So don't they sell red guitars in Dallas?



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I have to agree with everyone else...I would stay away...

I have a genuine (LOL..that sounds strange) finish only crack in mine that runs maybe 2cm in the typical location. It looks nothing like that. Mine is as thin as a hair and it doesn't even penetrate all the layers of the finish.

Now I won't go as far as some others so far....from the picks it does look like the finish could have been chipped away around those areas....but like others have said...how did that happen? If your really interested in it take it to a luthier and have them check it out....Find out if it is a repair job or an honest finish chip/crack....would give you some good bargaining power...If the seller won't do that then obviously something is up.

As for ObG standards I would say that they are better in some ways and not as good in others compared to a Gibson factory USA.....I own a ObG standard and it sounds amazing. Not chambered...long tenon etc.....but new USA gibsons do have long tenons again and they do use a 1 pce honduran mahogany where as orvilles are multi piece african....so again pluses and minuses in my opinion. Where Orville's seem to excel is in their reputation for consistently great sound.

Basically I would (sight unseen of course) take an Orville over any gibson factory model.....but probably not custom shops...
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