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JV Squire on Aussie ebay. No Bull***t then! :-)))

 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: JV Squire on Aussie ebay. No Bull***t then! :-))) Reply with quote

This seller doesn't know jack. New logo on the headstock. Thought the early ones were sunburst only.

OK, OK ...I know it ain't a Tokai but it's worth a mention here in the ebay alerts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Fender-Stratocaster-Japan-JV-serial-1983_W0QQitemZ130252102331QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks legit to me! I've sse plenty of early JV's in Black, White & Red as well as sunburst.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Bullshit JV Squire on Aussie ebay Reply with quote

oldflame wrote:
This seller doesn't know jack. New logo on the headstock. Thought the early ones were sunburst only.

OK, OK ...I know it ain't a Tokai but it's worth a mention here in the ebay alerts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Fender-Stratocaster-Japan-JV-serial-1983_W0QQitemZ130252102331QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Um....you may want to have a look at this:

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/generalunrest/Fender%20JV%20ST62-85%20Candy%20Apple%20Red/
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

generalunrest is villager, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
generalunrest is villager, right?


One and the same!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
stratman323 wrote:
generalunrest is villager, right?


One and the same!


Hell, I didn't know that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Bullshit JV Squire on Aussie ebay Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
oldflame wrote:
This seller doesn't know jack. New logo on the headstock. Thought the early ones were sunburst only.

OK, OK ...I know it ain't a Tokai but it's worth a mention here in the ebay alerts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Fender-Stratocaster-Japan-JV-serial-1983_W0QQitemZ130252102331QQihZ003QQcategoryZ33034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Um....you may want to have a look at this:

http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/generalunrest/Fender%20JV%20ST62-85%20Candy%20Apple%20Red/


And this?..

http://www.21frets.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1218513615/
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see ya point. But....

With all due respect to Mark, his guitar tells me nothing being as it doesn't have a decent logo. Also, where does it say "Squire" on the ebay guitar? A JV neck plate proves nothing.

Point me in the right direction to a JV with a "big" Fender logo, a small "Squire" logo in a custom colour with a high seral number on the JV website. Then you can kick my arse!

As it happens, all the ones I owned back in the early 80's were sunburst. A 57 a 61 (and a Tele for good measure). That's all we got in the UK. Soon after they switched to the "big" Squire logo and the small "Fender" logo where it usually reads "Custom Body" (etc etc) and that's when the custom colours started to appear.

So did the rest of the world get something else? Surely they still had "Squire Series" somewhere on the peg head.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldflame wrote:
So did the rest of the world get something else?

Sort of....

Nearly all of the JV's Fender shipped out of Japan in '82, '83 and early '84 were "Squiers." Europe and other Commonwealth countries in particular, got most of them. But not all Fender JV's were "Squiers."

Collectors say the best JV Squier's were the exported ones with US pickups and other parts, better construction(?), wood(?) and finish(?), etc (and some with the different-sized Fender/Squier logo you referred to), but I've got 17 JV Strats and Teles (made in either '82 or '83) and only one of them had ever left Japan until I brought them to LA.

Two of my JV's are Squiers and the rest are vintage reissues of 50's and 60's Fenders that don't have "Squier" on them anywhere but do say "Made in Japan" either on the headstock or the back of the base of the neck depending on the serial # range most with nitro original finishes in everything from Fiesta Red to Black to 2 and 3 tone Sunbursts to Vintage White, Blonde and Natural. They are all damned excellent guitars--as good or better than just about anything ever made here and the domestic JV Squiers (that never left Japan and were actually the low-end guitars there) are as good as any upper-range US Fender made in the last 30+ years.

Someday I'll get around to posting pics of all of them but a few are here:

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jvdaze/rkJVz/RKjvs.html

and a few others are here:

http://www.21frets.com/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?b-jvreg/

Some of the prices have gone bananas lately. I was quoted $3,000 US dollars apiece this past summer for a couple of JV 62-115 Strats.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Innadaze wrote:
I was quoted $3,000 US dollars apiece this past summer for a couple of JV 62-115 Strats.


Nice collection (as usual!). I'll have the white rosewood one, thank you.

Are the 115s the only ones with a nitro finish?

Mike
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you can kick my arse then....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Innadaze wrote:
I was quoted $3,000 US dollars apiece this past summer for a couple of JV 62-115 Strats.


Nice collection (as usual!). I'll have the white rosewood one, thank you.

Are the 115s the only ones with a nitro finish?

Mike

Well, I've already gone pretty far-afield on this thread about somebody's ebay sale, but what-the-heck?..

I've always had a propensity for white guitars (don't know why) myself. And I really love lacquer (nitro-cellulose) finishes. Not sure why that is either (maybe in my head I think the guitar breathes better(??) or the way it looks/feels). I'm hard-as-hell on my guitars and it's certainly not the most durable finish but I really prefer it.

Anyway, the JV ST115's, ST85's and TL95's (which some sellers refer to as TL115's) were all finished in thin nitro--some applied more evenly/sloppily than others. The JV ST65's and TL65's as well as all the Squiers I've seen were finished in thin poly which has sunk into the wood nicely over the years but in more than a few cases either didn't dry right or was exposed to temperature extremes that has caused it to be somewhat brittle and flaky.

More than anything though the JV's just sound and play great. There's a lot of lore and legend that gets caught up with these things and people attribute their own sense of 'mojo' to them but the JV's were extremely well made for mass-produced guitars which has also been my experience for anything that was originally produced by Greco/Fujigen in the '70's and '80's. It's fairly obvious that the JV's as well as the early Tokai's and Greco's were meant to be (more or less faithfully reproduced) replicas of 50's and 60's Fenders--why else would guitars intended for a Japanese-speaking domestic market have English writing on the headstock. Like a lot of other things, they took something that had originally been conceived elsewhere and in trying to copy it, made them (intentionally or not), in most cases, better.
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