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Big Willie Style
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Plain or flame? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm just about to order a new LS 125f or LS 135 Love Rock and I'd like your input:

Flame or plain(maple) top?

I've always been a sucker for a nice flame but I'd assume from the parts and pricing that the 135 is actually a superior guitar. Does anyone have any input to help me decide? If money wasn't an object, I'd just get the 230 but that's not an option with my wedding coming up.

Looking forward to hearing (reading) your thoughts...

BWS
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flame i think they look better catching the light on stage

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190074672667&rd=1&rd=1

Lovely flame top
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the 135, it's real.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi willie, i think i would take the 135 with the plain top because in my catalogue it says 125f maple top +2piece maple top . i think that means it is a veneer.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note: The LS135 is the counterpart to Gibson R8
99,99% same specs.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

togps wrote:
Note: The LS135 is the counterpart to Gibson R8
99,99% same specs.


Then go for a gibson. Mine is a LS125f and don't mind if specs are 99.99% or 80% Is a gorgeous Les paul with Gibson historic specs and flame top. Veneer, sycamore... if sounds good, it really matter?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flame but highly one all the way. I love high figured flame like Brockburst '59.
Plain is OK too if the guitar is right,no problem then....
As far as high flamed maple seems to make the price so high it?s time to look after plain tops if money is an issue.Recent Pacifix series are plain tops and I feel them great guitars.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QUILT
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I think they are as good or possibly even better that most of the offerings from Gibson. The routings, neck tenon, frets, headstock veneer are all not up to Historic spec's, I'm sure there is more if I were to compare side by side.

But I would say Tokai's are great guitars, very well made!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hackenfort wrote:
While I think they are as good or possibly even better that most of the offerings from Gibson. The routings, neck tenon, frets, headstock veneer are all not up to Historic spec's, I'm sure there is more if I were to compare side by side.

The high-end Tokais, starting from LS135 (nowadays LS150) are on par with the Historics specs. and plays in the same league.
Check out:
http://www.tokaiguitar.de/produktdetail.php?id=42
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

togps wrote:
hackenfort wrote:
While I think they are as good or possibly even better that most of the offerings from Gibson. The routings, neck tenon, frets, headstock veneer are all not up to Historic spec's, I'm sure there is more if I were to compare side by side.

The high-end Tokais, starting from LS135 (nowadays LS150) are on par with the Historics specs. and plays in the same league.
Check out:
http://www.tokaiguitar.de/produktdetail.php?id=42


I agree they are great guitars, but they the spec's are off, just look at the routing channels and pickup cavities on the Tokai - they are nothing like the Historic's or any late 50's Les Paul.

I agree they are great playing and sounding guitars. I love them!

Kevin
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, they don't have the exact shape neck routings but that is just splitting hairs, i have owned both and played both {more gibsons than tokai's} and i'd like to say i have never played a bad MIJ Tokai but i have played plenty of Dull sounding gibbo's right throughout their range , and as far as the normal range of standards well the Tokai's beat them hands down.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to agree with Mick! A guitar isn't about the internal routing, or a holly veneer, it's about sound and playability and with the exception of one or two historics I'd take a Tokai every time!

The new Gibson standards are very ordinary guitars, I've played a lot of them. Every time I go in to my local guitar store if he has a nice looking new one I'll give it a try, and without exception I've been dissapointed.

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Just seen this and I'm very tempted

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-Gibson-Les-Paul-Historic-R9-RS-relicd-Timbuckers_W0QQitemZ320235271470QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38086QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Got to agree with Mick! A guitar isn't about the internal routing, or a holly veneer, it's about sound and playability and with the exception of one or two historics I'd take a Tokai every time!

The new Gibson standards are very ordinary guitars, I've played a lot of them. Every time I go in to my local guitar store if he has a nice looking new one I'll give it a try, and without exception I've been dissapointed.

edit:

Just seen this and I'm very tempted

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-Gibson-Les-Paul-Historic-R9-RS-relicd-Timbuckers_W0QQitemZ320235271470QQihZ011QQcategoryZ38086QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Yup....very nice Historic.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very expensive!
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