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Honeyburst Super Real. Only EGF 1200?
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NWOBHM
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 81' super power has a curved belly, but my later 84' mint collections have a flat belly like 50's Les Pauls have. My 54' Les Paul is like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flat? or less curved?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
villager wrote:
ah ok my error..wrong pics...

No worries!
villager wrote:

ok from that angle you can see the long tenon well ..so its a superreal neck, with a mint collection neck joint...

So the way to distinguish a Super Real neck from a Mint Collection is to se if it says Super Real on it?


villager wrote:

i see no relevance in the amount of carve...they all vary...

Ok!

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and no fret binding points to mint too...


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DNS wrote:
It's refretted by the way, with signs of lost fret edge bindings.



DNS wrote:
Which had the aluminum tailpiece?


DNS wrote:
Oh was there an EG58-100? Thought it was EG59-100 and EG58-120 what ever the difference might be..



DNS wrote:
What about the alu stoptail?


DNS wrote:
Which models had the alu stoptail as original equipment?


Hmm what is it about these alu tails..
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NWOBHM wrote:
My 81' super power has a curved belly, but my later 84' mint collections have a flat belly like 50's Les Pauls have. My 54' Les Paul is like that.


Oh, I thought the curved belly was an heritage from the guitars with p-90's.
And that it went on some time into the humbucker era.

I know there is a Greco Super Real catalog scan in japanese somewhere with pictures that makes it clear that they are proud of having the round belly and not like the other makers a flat belly.
I see no reason for that if it wasn't correct 50's style?
Here it is:
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~shake/greco/catalogue/mintcollection/9.jpg


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alu tail no idea..again easy and normal change tho..

yes 59-100

the neck can be a laft over superreal neck,

but can have a mint collection type tenon....ot a superreal tenon...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes it a Super Real neck?

Ok, the aluminium tail piece wasn't standard on any model.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

super real logo...but depending on when it was put on the body the same neck logo can have 2 different tenon types...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a link to the catalog scan that boosts the curved belly.
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~shake/greco/catalogue/mintcollection/9.jpg
Some one who knows a japanese-english translator?
Some one tha can read and wright both languages that is..
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres a bit of info that leads me to the conclution that the TS brass bridge and alu tail piece was original equipment on at least EGF1200 and EG58-120:
The brass bridge and the aluminum tail piece of the TS factory make are installed same as EGF-1200 even in this EG58-120. Because is, ピカピカ (the ^^)
Strange that this is not common knowledge.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how does that help tell what model? doesn't it mean all greco's from that year/series had a carved top around the PU holes?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i seen 1000's and 850's with alu tails...but never knew if they were replacement or original...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how does that help tell what model? doesn't it mean all greco's from that year/series had a carved top around the PU holes?

You mean curved off course.
I't doesent, it's just a piece of info on the flat vs curved.
If you say that the curved belly has noting to do with Super or Mint nor model number or year of production I have to believe you! You have seen them..
Since I've only seen one Mint from that angle with a comment on the belly going flat I thougt it was an issue. I'm over it, but I think it says for sure that the G*bson was curved..
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes i seen 1000's and 850's with alu tails...but never knew if they were replacement or original...


Well, you have made that clear.
What i am saying is that it was original on the 1200/120.
And it should be accompanied by the TS brass bridge.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

where does it say it was not installed on the 1000 and 850 originally?

I only see the 1200 and 120 mentioned, and as that is a comparison article, it doesnt mean that the 1000 and 850 did not originally have an alu tailpiece...

and its quite possible that the tailpieces on one or both of the guitars he is talking about may have been swopped...

you just dont know....unless you read it in a catalogue under ''specifications''....

I have owned literally a hundred various EGF's and I would still not state as a fact that any of them came as standard in any year with aluminium tailpieces.....because although I have seen many many tailpieces, I have never actually read from an official greco source which tailpiece was standard on which model..

from that article it seems likely that the EGF-1200 and the EG58-120 did have a factory light tailpiece, ..but it does not in any way actaully prove it...

it throws no light on the 1000 and 850 models ...either alu or non alu......
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just had a thought...

if the solder joint on the DRY-1982 is unmolested, then it must be either a 59-100 or a 58-120...
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