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peacock72
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Anyone find their Edwards lacks low end, authority... Reply with quote

and tonal complexity compared to their other Les Pauls or MIJ clone? After having put my recently acquired 130 LTS through it's paces, compared to my Tokai LS200, it's a bit lean on the low end. The tone is more airy and light and not as authoritative as the Tokai. I've swapped the same set of pickups between the two guitars and found the same comparison. I wonder if it just has to do with the fact that the Edwards is a good 1-2 pounds lighter than the Tokai? I also had a 80s Burny that I sold after getting the Edwards, and the Burny also had better low end response and that Les Paul growl and grunt. It was even heavier than the Tokai though. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of conraversy surrounding these edwards these days.....chambered?......drilled?.........

keep in mind that mine came without a neck tenon
never knew what to make of that cause i thought it was still great but now I'm hearing these rumours of how they are cutting corners?


I dont know.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone find their Edwards lacks low end, authority... Reply with quote

peacock72 wrote:
and tonal complexity compared to their other Les Pauls or MIJ clone? After having put my recently acquired 130 LTS through it's paces, compared to my Tokai LS200, it's a bit lean on the low end. The tone is more airy and light and not as authoritative as the Tokai. I've swapped the same set of pickups between the two guitars and found the same comparison. I wonder if it just has to do with the fact that the Edwards is a good 1-2 pounds lighter than the Tokai?


YES ... I can confirm this ...

I have to turn down the tone controls to 4-5 to get a 'woman tone' on the neck ... I have the BK Mules in it, but also tried the WCR Fillmores, Wolfetone DrVs and Kloppmanns PAF '59 ...
The Kloppmanns were the first set after the stock pups, but they sounded too harsh and brittle ... I thought it was because I've modded the electronics to 50's wiring, but when I swapped this set for DrVs and Fillmores I noticed the same ... they didn't fit tonewise either ...

I have had the Fillmores and the DrVs in my Gibbo and was torn between them ... beautiful sound from both of them ... highs without harshness and low end although the Fillmores have the highest output ...
So ... my Eddie is right for the 'heavy stuff' while my Gibbo with the Fillmores is more for the sweet singing bluesey stuff ...

To say it clear ... my Eddie isn't a bad guitar, quite the contrary ... but I love my Gibbo most ... more an all-purpose guitar tonewise ...

Roger
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, at least I'm not alone! I'm having WCR Moore/Green Pickups installed right now, but if your Fillmores didn't do the trick, I'm a little weary. I'll probably try Goodwoods next if the Moore/Green Set don't fill things out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm waiting on a Darkburst/Godwood set to arrive from the States and then I'll be putting them in my Edwards honey burst 98LTS. I'm also going to replace the electrics and fit a Faber bridge and Tone-Lock stop piece. I sometimes wonder whether I should've gone for a Gibson - but then I remind myself that the Edwards is a third of the price!!

I'm also really starting to dislike the satin finish on the Edwards and I think I may have to break out the buffing kit and give it a shine - unless anyone wants to swap their SD for my LTS?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesone wrote:
I'm waiting on a Darkburst/Godwood set to arrive from the States and then I'll be putting them in my Edwards honey burst 98LTS ... I sometimes wonder whether I should've gone for a Gibson - but then I remind myself that the Edwards is a third of the price!!


John,

I've bought the Gibbo, because it was bargain then ... and I was a lucky guy having scored an excellent sounding one ...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesone wrote:
I'm waiting on a Darkburst/Godwood set to arrive from the States and then I'll be putting them in my Edwards honey burst 98LTS. I'm also going to replace the electrics and fit a Faber bridge and Tone-Lock stop piece. I sometimes wonder whether I should've gone for a Gibson - but then I remind myself that the Edwards is a third of the price!!

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JohnS
I feel like I should have bought a Bacchus, instead. I'm having the cap values changed and having Tonepros hardware installed in addition to the pickup swap. My 130LTS is getting up there in price now!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll confess that I also have an Epiphone Slash signature model that has a dark vintage sunburst finish. This guitar has a long neck tenon, Alnico Pro-II's, and a LockTone bridge and tail stop. At this point in time I regard it as the better guitar - certainly I feel it has a more articulate tone, better resonance throughout the body and it doesn't always want to slide sideways off my lap when I'm sat down!!
Again though it must be remembered that this guitar costs around ?500 which is a bit more than my Edwards 98LTS did.
I'm pretty hopeful that once I've carried out all the mods the Edwards will be the superior guitar although by then it will have cost more than the Epi!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone find their Edwards lacks low end, authority... Reply with quote

tudor wrote:
I have to turn down the tone controls to 4-5 to get a 'woman tone' on the neck


Be grateful! Clapton turned his all the way down.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesone wrote:
I'll confess that I also have an Epiphone Slash signature model that has a dark vintage sunburst finish. This guitar has a long neck tenon, Alnico Pro-II's, and a LockTone bridge and tail stop. At this point in time I regard it as the better guitar - certainly I feel it has a more articulate tone, better resonance throughout the body and it doesn't always want to slide sideways off my lap when I'm sat down!!
Again though it must be remembered that this guitar costs around ?500 which is a bit more than my Edwards 98LTS did.
I'm pretty hopeful that once I've carried out all the mods the Edwards will be the superior guitar although by then it will have cost more than the Epi!!!

Regards

John
Get the regular zinc Tonepros as opposed to the lightweight aluminum. i just swapped the stock aluminum tailpiece with a heavy zinc Tonepros and a lightweight bridge and it helped a bit with the low end. I also swapped the caps for some Sozo Premium .047 Caps. All in all I am much happier with the guitar. Still might swap the bridge pickup for something with a bit more fat. Conversely, I threw the Edwards Gotoh lightweight tailpiece on my Tokai LS200 and made it even better than before.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have already ordered the Faber kit I'm afraid. I also have some CTS pots in both 500k and 300k around and a variety of caps, vitamin Q's, orange drops, and some old 0.22uf's around so I plan to make up a couple of new harnesses. One for the Edwards and one for the Epi. I've read that the use of 300k pots can help tame the brightness of a guitar somewhat.
Having said all that I'm also on the lookout for a nice Tokai LS150 or possibly 85F and if I find one, that will probably mean the Edwards being moved on to a new home.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as an update - I threw the WCR Godwood and darkburst pups in the Edwards just now and I am very pleased indeed with the result. Sadly my amp has died on me so I can only test on the guitarport but it's sounding very sweet to me indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 98LTC is more "airy" and its whole feel more resonant, yes. For me thats a good thing, played a 5.5. kilo 76 LPC for years before I've switched . . .
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