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are edwards LP's chambered or not. which models
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japanstrat
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have an Edwards so I don't know what they weigh in general but if most Edwards weigh about the same as Tudors then I don't know why anyones worried about the weight.
Tudors Edwards weight can be explained by a bit thinner Maple top.
Maple is from what I've read a heavier wood than Mahogany.
If the Edwards were on average say closer to 7 lbs then I might suspect different woods to Mahogany/Maple or chambering being used.

As far as I know there are 5 main ways to make a LP lighter in average weight.

The Swiss Cheese holes that Gibson tried.
The Chambered bodies which Gibson are now trying.
Using lighter wood species.
Making the body or maple top thinner.
Just selecting the lightest wood from a wood species which would be expensive as there would be no use for the heavier bits of wood and I don't think you can just buy the lighter wood in bulk you would have to buy just wood and some bits would be lighter than some others.


"My Edwards says 4,0 kg / 8.8 lbs, my Gibbo (weight relieved) has 3,8 kg / 8.4 lbs"

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9587&sid=810464922803cbe837d30bc5ff1cdfea


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They are all using mahogany wood. And we do not select a light woods expressly.
But the maple of the top material is very thin.

This is why they are not as heavy as gibson LP usually, for ewample.
Don't forget the top is laminated.

So apparently they are not chambered body. "

http://guitarsatbmusic.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3468


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both my Edwards weighed in at 7.5 pounds which led me to wonder if these were weight relieved.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, interesting topic of discusion here people!
My luthier told me that he's seen an X-ray of some edwards models and some were drilled and some were solid...are Edwards cutting corners without telling us?

I know that the JP relic that I bought brand new for over 1000 US dollars came without a long neck tenon, and a poor neck set so you cant put the action anymore lower than how it came
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dann wrote:
hmmm, interesting topic of discusion here people!
My luthier told me that he's seen an X-ray of some edwards models and some were drilled and some were solid...are Edwards cutting corners without telling us?

I know that the JP relic that I bought brand new for over 1000 US dollars came without a long neck tenon, and a poor neck set so you cant put the action anymore lower than how it came


are you sure your Edwards JP relic does not have a long neck tenon? any chance of posting some pics of inside the neck pickup cavity? sometimes edwards do their long tenons SOOO well that it's hard to see the joints.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'll take some pics shortly, i have to retreive my camera from a friend of mine....

but my luthier looked at it and first told me about it, i never believed him so i cracked it open and yeah....you cannot see anywhere where a tenon sticks out.

to me it doesnt make so much of a difference, the thins resonates and sustains for days...but its all the advertising thing about it. a little dissapointment but not too much...still a killer guitar. i slapped a bigsby on mine
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The high action may be due to the extra deep/tall carve on the top. I don't find the action or the bridge to be excessively high on my 130, but I've read of complaints that the bridge sits higher than an actual Gibson.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that some Edwards are normal weights and some aren't.

The images below are of a Edwards LP-98 that got damaged in transit.
What I'd like to know is how a plastic volume knob can make a dent into what is supposed to be a solid Maple top.

I think Maple is a stronger wood than that and I would expect the plastic volume knob to not make a big hole in the Maple top.
Instead, the plastic volume knob has caused a big hole in the Maple top. Having a Maple top with a veneer wouldn't change anything, it would still be like a solid Maple top in regards to wood strength.

If you ask me, I can see the chamber in the image.
The bottom volume knob has gone right through the top and there is a black shadow around the bottom volume knob which looks to me like a chamber hole.

The control route might extend into the Maple top but you would still not expect a volume knob to just go through the Maple top like it has.

I think they might be chambering the bottom end of the Maple top (not the pickups end) and leaving the pickup cavities alone so even if you take the pickups out you won't see any chambering.

From the image of the damaged LP-98 I think it's got a chambered Maple top and the chambers are not visible from the pickup or control cavities.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5910/feninaq4.jpg

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=3411953


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HOLY SH!!!!T
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Japanstrat, mate i have a couple of lp's "MIJ" that have the routing in the control cavity and i guarantee if you hit it hard enough to do that sort of damage the controls would go straight through, i doubt very much that the maple tops are chambered, i have a ls 180 tokai and a custom order Tokai gold top and there is a reasonably big difference in the weight of these 2 guitars and neither are chambered. And both sound and play awesome..

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant to say shallow routing....

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it could be that the knob has just gone through to the control cavity.
It's hard to be sure without more info and images of the control cavity.
All I know is that if I owned a Edwards I wouldn't lean on the volume and tone knobs too hard.
The Gibson chambered weights are roughly around the 7.5 lbs mark and some Edwards seem to be around this same weight so I think somethings not quite right.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they would break that easily, maple is a brittle hard wood and therefore a good enough hit would kind of shatter it if the routing was thin enough, i think your guitars are safe..

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another angle of the Edwards with what appears to be a black (empty chamber?) colour where the top has chipped.

In the first image there is a 4 5 6 piece of the knob near the bridge post, embedded into the top. He has then removed the 4 5 6 piece and it seems to have left a hole (where the 4 part was embedded into the top).

In the second image the knob near the bridge post, just has a 8 after he's removed the 4 5 6 piece.

1st image

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5910/feninaq4.jpg

2nd image

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4710/fengatoelp3wk5.jpg


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One way to test for chambers is to take off the knobs and loosen the pot bolts and pull the pots away from the top and then get a bit of bendable wire and bend a length of the tip so the bent bit of the wire is wider than the pot hole and insert it into the pot hole and see if it turns around without hitting anything.
If it doesn't hit anything then the Maple top is chambered.

Or just stick a bit of wire or whatever into the pot hole at an angle and move it about and see if it hits anything.

But if they are using supports around the pot holes then this won't work.


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