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tokaigeezer
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right you are, oldflame (I've always wanted to say that - it's so stiff-upper British )

Years ago as a reporter I wrote a series on two local oncologists who accidentally overdosed one of their cancer patients with seven (7) times the amount of prescribed chemotherapy (extremely toxic stuff) over a few weeks, discovered their error (oops!) and then tried to cover it up WITHOUT TELLING THE PATIENT (who proceeded to die in excruciating agony - he was burned alive internally, basically.) The whole mess would have gone unreported had not the same patient's radiologist forced the two oncologists to tell their patient that they had given him a toxic dose of chemo. He also ratted them out to the local hospital board.

He had to, because he was unwittingly giving the patient radiation therapy DURING THE SAME TIME that the other two quacks were frying him with chemo. He was as legally liable as they were. Of course the radiologist didn't know what the two bozos were doing to his patient until he noticed that his patient's skin had turned bright orange (from the chemo overdose) and was deathly ill. All the while, the two quacks, who were hoping their little boo-boo would go unnoticed, did not tell the radiologist, even though THEY KNEW that the radiologist was beaming the poor schmuck with tons of nuclear radiation (which of course intensified the damage from the chemo). They were, apparently, hoping the patient would be a decent fellow and die quietly.

I thought (silly me) that the two docs would lose their licenses to practice, but they were just disciplined by the New Mexico State Medical Board for a few weeks and told not to do it again. Meanwhile, the radiologist who told the hospital board what happened was run out of town by his physician peers (you just can't rat out the noble profession - bad behavior) and is now practicing in another state.

During the weeks before the public hearing (which was, not surprisingly, packed with the two doctors' supporters and faithful patients) I received the usual rabid phone calls that I was trying to destroy the careers of two great men, you *?@&^! muckraker, etc. During the hearing, one of the offending docs even complained to me "I just can't understand why he (the radiologist who had the decency to blow the whistle) would want to do this to me." Yes, that's right, he was being victimized.

Of course it never crossed his mind that his patient was a little more inconvenienced than he was. What amazed me even further was that the poor victim's sister never even filed a lawsuit against the docs. "Oh, I don't want to be vengeful," she told me.

So we have the same nonsense over here, I'm afraid. The two oncologists are still practicing today and making buckets of cash. In fact one of the local hospital vice presidents told me privately that they were very concerned that my coverage would force the quacks to leave town, because cancer specialists are hard to attract and keep happy in our rural part of New Mexico.

But I sleep well at night - can't say the same about them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:
With stuff like Oasis and U2 and the crap that's around now like Greenday , even Britney Spears etc I can just about shout the chords out as the song is playing when I'm hearing it for the first time probably because it just sounds like remanufactured stuff from other songs.


That's just personal musical taste, though... you could say the same about plenty of music from the 60s and 50s that was drawing on the popular dance band songs of earlier eras. It all goes back to music hall!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldflame wrote:
Why do you think there is so much MRSA in UK hospitals?


Well, part of it is because the Daily Mail and Daily Express insist on using Chemsol stats for their articles

Dr Malyszewicz has a bad reputation.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ozeshin wrote:
So Paul Kossoff sounds emotionally retarded when he solo's?

Eric Clapton...Tears in heaven is an emotionally bereft tune?


He didn't say that, though... he said emotionally *flawed*. That suggests a difference, not an absence or a restriction. And it may be true, or it may be false... at least we're happy when we play

I've heard suggestions that a lot of very good musicians have varying levels of mild autism, which could explain the superhuman concentration and singlemindedness required to become *really* good on an instrument. Leaving aside the dubious issue of "natural gift", people like Guthrie Govan or Shawn Lane got where they are by dedicated practice, but how? Just how do you get that motivated? I certainly haven't found the answer

As for whether an increased familiarity with music spoils the naive enjoyment for a musician, I don't think that's the case. You just discover deeper levels. It's like fractals... as one mystery is solved, more develop.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard suggestions that in fact ALL MEN are somewhere on the autistic spectrum!!!
I use this fact on occaision to explain away my faux pas...

...I should add - when I say something inappropriate to/about/in front of my wife
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes your right it is personal taste but I'm also saying their musical structure is so basic that it doesn't invoke hardly any emotional response from me.
The Edge sounds like he's playing in a Subway Toilet and words fail me when I think of Noel Gallagher ripping off so many other songs including the Coke advertisement.
Talking about shrinks has anyone seen Metallica and their documentary with a shrink.
I thought it was really funny.
The drummer guy who had a thing about Napster looked like a total ---- to me and James Hetfield who came across as not too bad didn't use the bands shrink to deal with his problems and went away for a while, the shrink was for the whole band apparently and James came back after a while and fired the shrink who they were paying around $40,000 a month.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adrian,

Re: Guthrie.... IMHO, I've never seen someone as totally gifted and as full of natural talent as him. In 2004 I went to see him every thursday at the Bassment in Chelsford for 10 weeks and every week he would be doing something new/different/awe inspiring. I know good when I see it and man...he's good
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just getting that porn crap off the top of the GD zone!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldflame wrote:
Re: Guthrie.... IMHO, I've never seen someone as totally gifted and as full of natural talent as him. In 2004 I went to see him every thursday at the Bassment in Chelsford for 10 weeks and every week he would be doing something new/different/awe inspiring. I know good when I see it and man...he's good


Yeah, he's truly amazing, isn't he? His improv skills just astound me... an endless stream of cool ideas, usually perfectly executed and seamless.

By the way, a quick plug, in case you're interested. Guthrie has recorded loads of first-take solos (and a performance of his tune "Fives") for the blues backing track site I co-run. They're all on our Youtube page...

http://www.youtube.com/bluesjamtracks


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, not impressed by Guthrie. All technique and no soul, in my humble opinion. Sure, I'm jealous of his technique, but I think he squanders it by playing too much. Less is more!

By contrast, on the same page as that link, there's a clip of Aynsley Lister playing some Peter Green style stuff. OK, he ain't Greeny (who is?), but at least he understands the concept of space.

I'll now wait to be shot down in flames!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh! No flames from me!

I think everyone's got their own "too many notes" threshold... the same solo can be exciting and exhilarating for one person, but boring and unwelcoming for another.

I know what you mean about Aynsley, though... he's got a real knack for hitting those simple phrases so well.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Sorry, not impressed by Guthrie. All technique and no soul, in my humble opinion. Sure, I'm jealous of his technique, but I think he squanders it by playing too much. Less is more!

By contrast, on the same page as that link, there's a clip of Aynsley Lister playing some Peter Green style stuff. OK, he ain't Greeny (who is?), but at least he understands the concept of space.

I'll now wait to be shot down in flames!

Mike

I agree with both points.
I've seen Guthrie before and yeah...his technique and execution is great...but he has as much soul as your average politician.
I'll stick with Lister.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble is that guitarists make more money by playing in-your-face heavy rock licks than the subtle stuff. I was dissappointed this year when I saw first Joe Bonnamassa and later Johnny Winter. They can both play some really tasteful, subtle blues if they want to, but they both played what I would call rock sets, complete with guitar hero posturing in JB's case.

So I wasn't impressed - but what do I know? In both cases the venues were packed, with quite a young crowd, so the guys clearly earned a decent amount of money. By contrast, when we get gorgeous, subtle players like Ronnie Earl or Anson Funderburgh over here, they play in smaller venues that are half full.

Even the magnificent Los Lobos only half filled the theatre that Bonnamassa had packed out. So I guess it's hard to blame guitarists for chucking subtlety out of the window, even though I find it depressing.

Mike
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