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loverockerUK Guest
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:15 am Post subject: What do you make of this Love Rock: |
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luis Guitar God
Joined: 15 Sep 2001 Posts: 2323 Location: Spain
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don,t know what model this could be,but could be some information on the hanging tags,or,at least,on the small cardboard telling a serial number and the model(mine came in that way from Yoshi).About the look it is very close to my LS-70F. |
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Novosel Guitar God
Joined: 23 Dec 2001 Posts: 244 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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That is a beautiful axe, but it's been on several times before. Probably hasn't sold because the price is getting close to Gibson territory (or at least their production models, not the Historic line). If it is an LS200 or better, I think the price would be in line - this is what people are paying for the older quality Tokais. Athough I personally wouldn't buy a guitar through Ebay unless it gave me an instant stiffy, if the seller has some sort of "satisfaction guarntee", I'd think about this one. Top of the line Tokais don't come up too often, at least in North America.
Too bad the serial number looks suspect, and doesn't come with a case, AND most of the seller's feedbacks are from buying, not selling. But he does say he'd consider the high bid, not necessarily the buy-it-now bid. What to do, what to do! |
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supernout Guitar God
Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: What do you make of this Love Rock: |
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There doesn't seem to be any fret edged binding, so it's either one of those limited editions made in 2001, which, if I remember correctly, came w/o any serial numbers, or a lower model, but definitely no LS-200 upwards. The serial on headstock back looks very poor, probably faked and doesn't fit with the mfg2001 in the description.
Most of them sellers do exactly know what they are selling. If they don't give any additional information or refuse to reply mails I can only recommend to ignore them. Better say goodbye to the dream of getting a highend tokai which is sold underprice by ebayers or regular shop sellers. They don't play guitar, they play with us. |
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Stokeboy I only know 3 chords
Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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What do i think of it? ... Great looking LS-75F, shame about the fishy seller. Here are my email exchanges with him... (i'm martin btw) ... wasnt too keen on his tone either. Read from the bottom!
Hi Martin,
yes one can assume so?
But as I have already said?
I have not taken it apart and have no intentions of doing so?
It?s a mint as new guitar and as a seller I will have to keep it that way..
The buyer can do what ever they wish with it. It is being sold as is?meaning mint condition
You or anyone else will not be disappointed with this KILLER TOKAI LES PAUL FLAME TOP.
Auction is blow-out priced..these models usually sell for $1600?I have sold 3 for that!
I also have another Tokai?it?s a lemon burst flame top?nitro finish w/ ebony fretboard..its a higher model too
Same thing?.its possibly a ls200-320?no indicators found?its KILLER!!! $1350+
There is more pics here?http://www.jvguitars.com
That?s about all I can tell you
I hope this helps
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: martin l [mailto:martt83@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:07 AM
To: jvguitars@covad.net
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #936540777
Thanks for the reply. So am i right to assume the top is NOT a laminate? and does it have a long neck tenon too by any chance? I'm from the UK and currently in the process of selling my Gibson LP Std so once i do i may well get back to you if you still have it? How much are custom duties these days for shioppin a guitar over?
Thanks
Martin
>From: "Joe Cundy"
>To:
>Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #936540777
>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:41:18 -0800
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>Hi,
>We are not sure of the model...
>Its for sure an AWESOME+++++JAPANESE CRAFTED guitar...
>I had a Tokai Fanatic look it over real good and we opened it up..
>Control cavities & saw no stamps, or serial #'s...
>Hi,
>Buy the look of the rosewood fretboard he thought it was Brazilian
>rosewood
>And he thought it was an ls200...or ls300?...its nitrocellulose lacquer
>finish is deep and the flame top is 3 dimensional
>I was not comfortable with him or myself removing pickups and taking a
>chance chipping the finish on this MINT!!!!! Guitar
>I hope this help you
>Thanks for your interest
>Joe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: martt83@hotmail.com [mailto:martt83@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:24 AM
>To: jvguitars@covad.net
>Subject: Question for seller -- Item #936540777
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>Hi very nice guitar. Does this it have a long neck joint like the Gibson
>Historics? What model number is it in the Tokai Range?
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>Regards
>Martin |
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Stokeboy I only know 3 chords
Joined: 11 Oct 2002 Posts: 25
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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...all his replies made me laugh
... us tokaiforum members should stick together thats for sure. |
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Paladin2019 Guitar God
Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Posts: 2017 Location: Cardiff, UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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KILLER! MINT! R@RE! R@RE! R@RE! L@@K LOOK L@@K! LAWSUIT! AWESOME! etc.
All watchwords for someone out to rip you off.
They seem to be in every other American Ebay ad, too.
Why do poeple feel it necessary to put in feedback like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++++++++++++? I never saw a B- or C+ ebayer.  |
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tokaiguy Guitar God
Joined: 09 Sep 2001 Posts: 643 Location: Dallas Tx
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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3 words...Dont do it! I have 2 LS 70's that are identical to this peice. I paid a combined $450 for them both , Yes that is a steal but $1600? That's a rip off! $800 tops and I would be very careful at that! TG |
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:05 am Post subject: |
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tokaigeezer Guitar God
Joined: 14 Sep 2002 Posts: 209 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Hey
I can relate to the hype. Every dealer who has a guitar that's 25 years old thinks he or she is "offering a rare opportunity to acquire a collectible classic," when it is probably just an instrument that was at best mediocre then, and is still #%&*@!! now.
Except for most Tokais, of course.
I have subscribed to Vintage Guitar Magazine since 1993 and have seen the price of everything assume preposterous degrees of "collectability." Used to be that mid-70s Strats were post-65 garbage and are now going for $1,500.00-and -up because they have that "Hendrix vibe," whatever that means. So it's just a matter of time until these miscreants start hawking LRs for $1,500 and up as well. If you ever start building guitars, make sure that some big company threatens to sue you for making it too close to their "original"- then you can have that magic "lawsuit" appellation to all your stuff!
I'm sure that Ned will meet some good dealers and great people at NAMM, but there are a few in the business that are lower than whale poop. (Just my opinion)
The only thing I can see to avoid this is to find a really good dealer who can be trusted. I've bought three really good guitars (Fender Hendrix Tribute Strat, Tokai Silver Star SS-60, and a Les Paul Pro Deluxe) sight unseen (well, seen on the Web, but unplayed by me) at reasonable prices from Elderly Instruments in Michigan. Their condition ratings are accurate and everything came in set up right on the money. They're at: www.elderly.com
and no, I don't work for them! [/i] _________________ Cain't take 'em with you, so you gots to play them now! |
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Novosel Guitar God
Joined: 23 Dec 2001 Posts: 244 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with Stokeboy that we Tokai Forum members should stick together. Our ebay seller had a Tokai "Fanatic" look over his guitar, but we have a network of fans from every continent on the globe who are knowledgeable and getting more knowledgeable every day. We must continue to share our information.
"We're all in this together" (Robert Deniro in "Brasil")  |
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Peter Mac Guitar God
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 1060 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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hi guys,
this is getting rediculous...
i especially love the "Brazilian Rosewood" quip, like that is supposed to add $$$$ to the value - CRAP!
ALL rosewood darkens over time, Brazilian, East Indian, Central American, etc, and considering that Gibbo and Fenda stopped really using B.R. in the late 60's and it was put on the endangered list in the 80's it is not the type of thing that Companies kept using on regular production. Tokai ONLY used it for the TOP-END LS-200 guitar, 1 model only, nothing else, no Strat or 335 got it. The new LS-320 has it too.
I have worked with wood for a long time and even i get 50/50 with recognising Brazilian rosewood. IMO, anyone claiming their guitar has Brazilian rosewood has probably never seen it in the "flesh", only pictures of already aged stuff.
Wow, that was $1.00 worth...I'm not trying to put anyones nose out of joint or say they are trying to rip anyone off, I just think they don't really know all the facts and make the presumption that because its gone quite dark, it must be B.R.
Peter Mac _________________ The world will not end today...because it is already tomorrow in Australia. |
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supernout Guitar God
Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 99
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Peter,
I don't care if it's brazilian or not as long as it looks like it. But one of my reborns, a '78 LS-60 seems to have one or at least looks exactly like having one. It makes absolutely no sense to me to equip a lower model like LS-60 with a brazilian rwb but I and nobody else couldn't tell it from original ones' used up to mid-sixties. It's deep dark brown with a reddish tint and very grainy and soft looking like shiny chocolate, hmmmmh
And that was one of the main reasons to buy the axe.
BTW my LS-200 and lots of them over the years came definitely with a black ebony board. |
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Peter Mac Guitar God
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 1060 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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my mistake, i should have clarified that model.
LS-200 made between 1979 and 1987.
Peter Mac _________________ The world will not end today...because it is already tomorrow in Australia. |
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Barry NYC I only know 3 chords
Joined: 05 Sep 2001 Posts: 20
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Stokeboy wrote: | ...all his replies made me laugh
... us tokaiforum members should stick together thats for sure. |
Screw that guy. He had a Goldtop Love Rock on Ebay in a no reserve auction. I couln't tear my eyes away from it for days, including at work. Even though the neck profile was fatter than I like, I was prepared to put in a few sniper bids. 2 hours before the end of the auction, he yanked it! It was only around $725 bit he REALLY wanted $1150 for it with no case! He better go buy some ketchup so it will make the taste of EATING those guitars more pallatable. |
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