Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

LoveRock string height? action!
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index -> Tokai Guitars
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kappie
Guitar God


Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 104
Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a week ago I lowered the action on my LS85Q by 1 mm at the bridge position, corresesponding with .5 mm at the twelfth fret.
I thought that Ishibashi, where a bought it (no seller of Tokai anymore..) did a proper set up, but the whole setup could be improved to quite some extent.
The action is now 1.8 mm at the high e and 2.2 mm at the low E string and I am very comfortable with it. No fretbuzz or rattle anywhere whatsoever.
_________________
http://www.eyesareblind.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
TSL
Guitar God


Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are you guys measuring?

I put a ruler on the top of the fret, 90 degree angle to the fingerboard, and then mearsue to the bottom of the un-depressed string. Are you all measuring from the fret, or the fingerboard?

I generally measure in 64ths of an inch (Yankee), and it seems Gibs come factory 4 to 5 on the high E, and just about 6 on the low E. My MIK Tokai FB-53 came like that as well.

Personally, I like 3 (64ths) on the high side, and 4 on the low side, if I can get it. My callousses are a bit more forward on my middle two fingers than most of my friends hands, so if they action isn't low I have the opposite problem of most people. I catch the next higher string from underneath when bending, and stand the chance of noise on release. I do better if my fingertip goes over the next higher string.

Would appreciate any replys.


BTW, just "top wound" my LP for the first time before Fridays gig. Definately gave a more "buttery" feel to the neck! Thanks fellow forum members for the idea, I never thought of it!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Web Surf
Sus4add11


Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear TSL,

I measure the same way as you ( on the 12th fret)

Gibson's settings are at
http://www.gibson.com/reference/infoguides/7.html

> from the top of the 12th fret on the underside of the string
> Electric Guitar Treble side 3/64 inch = 1.19mm
> Bass side 5/64 inch = 1.98mm

My Tokai came somewhat set to those points, but it has Fret Buzz on some strings in the middle of the fret board.


However I think I will change to "9" strings as I like them for bends. Then from past experience with my Tele, its a totally new ballgame and everything will need to be reset.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kappie
Guitar God


Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 104
Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi TSL,

I am measuring in the same way as described by you. I can?t however understand that Gibson specifies 3/16 inch (1.20 mm) for the high e string.
One of the reasons for getting rid of my Gibson Les Paul Studio was that I couldn?t get the strings any lower than the height the Golden Gate Bridge unless I accepted all the buzz on top of it.
No offense for Gibson, some of them have good action too, but on my LPS I just couldn?t get it right (at least it did not work for me).
_________________
http://www.eyesareblind.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
TSL
Guitar God


Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have found MOST guitars of any brand have a tough time making suggested guidelines for string height. I will tolerate a slight bit of buz, as long as it doesn't effect the sustain on bends.

To speak in mm, I really want 1 on the high side, and then 2 or so on the low strings. That shouldn't be that much to ask for. I can't be the only person out there with a a callous closer to the nail than the plam side of the finger!

On Strat type guitars, I will play SLIGHTLY higher action, to get a bit of "spank" out of the strings, as I view Strats as naturally more percussive than Gib style instruments. On a LP I really want that "buttery" feel.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Web Surf
Sus4add11


Joined: 01 May 2006
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just put in a new set of D'Addario XL 9-42's last night

Played about a bit with the bridge height

Fret Buzz gone !!!!

I'm amazed.

Action is amazing

I will have to write an "initial impressions" post soon, but right now I am just overwelhmed with the quality of this thing.


Also these strings increased the treble a bit, making the Humbucklers move a small step closer to the Single Coils on my Telecaster.



BTW, what are TOKAI's factory standard strings ?

Anyone try set of "8" strings on their TOKAI


BTW : My callouses begin pretty much at the nail and end 4-5mm away. except the pinkie that begins 3mm away from the nail and ends 3mm further away.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
andi-o
Guitar God


Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Posts: 146
Location: Germany

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Web Surf wrote:


Anyone try set of "8" strings on their TOKAI


0.08 strings are for girls (or fat swedish shredders)

I would suggest 10-46, tuned to Eb, you have almost the same easy playing
feel as with 9-42 in standard tuning, but some more "spank" and bottom...

Andi
_________________
If it's too loud, you're too old!

www.verruecktehunde.de
www.soundclick.com/oberhofer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
declan
Guitar God


Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 87
Location: Ireland

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a nice set of 11's or even 12's, play it for about a month and by the time you switch back to 10's they will seem like 8's.... you will have strenghtened your hand and fattened your tone in the process.

down with girly strings on this forum.... booooooo !!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
TSL
Guitar God


Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've played for 30 years, and have settled in on 9's. 8's just won't stay in tune with me touch, and I break them like crazy. Will use 10s once in a while in the studio, but am perfectly happy with 9s, and don't consider them "girly" in the least.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
marcusnieman
Guitar God


Joined: 22 May 2003
Posts: 8764
Location: Dallas, Texas

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that the more metal you have (via heavier strings), the more signal you push to the magnets of your pickups - which drastically affects your tone through the increased resonance through the guitar body and neck. Thin strings just don't have the juice - you are relying heavily upon the pickup volume to boost what the body can't produce. Why do you think acoustic strings are so heavy?

Further, the thicker the pick, the thicker the sound. Try using a 1mm pick compared to one of the thin jobs and listen to the difference in the sound. One of the secrets to Stevie Ray Vaughan's monster tone is that he used ridiculously heavy strings (13's if I recall) and really thick picks (1.50mm or more) and he picked with the rounded end instead of the pointy end.

I started out on 9's and gradually increased the gauge as my callouses developed. Also had to raise the action as the strings increased in order to get under the heavier strings during bends. I'm playing 11's on all of my guitars and using a 1.14mm pick - the difference in tone is amazing.

But it's all a matter of personal preference - play what's comfortable for you and if you like the sound, then that's your rig.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
TSL
Guitar God


Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I won't dispute heavier strings produce a better sound. Simple science. I enjoy 9's though, and as I stated I will use 10's on occassion. If I don't enjoy the feel though, I don't care what it sounds like.

I do use a heavy pick however. Can't get going fast enough when using a thin plectrum.

When I stated I have played for 30 years, the vast majority of that time has been professionally, so people must like my tone. As a matter of fact, I don't recall the last time a soundman used any EQ on my channel. They see me come in with a Marshall, and grit thier teeth. After first set they are shaking my hand.

I actually maintain the player makes more difference than even the amp, and the amp matters more than the PUs, and the PUs more than the guitar.

Just my opinion. There is no absolute right or wrong here, just preferences.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Tokai Forum - a subsidiary of TokaiRegistry.com Forum Index -> Tokai Guitars All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group