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Have I just bought a fake breezysound? - no serial number...
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76pete76
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:49 pm    Post subject: Have I just bought a fake breezysound? - no serial number... Reply with quote

Hey Folks

This is my first post and predictably I'm asking for help... I've just won a Japanese Breezysound on eBay. Ive not paid yet as I'm getting wobbly that it could be fake, or at least not Japanese as claimed.

No serial number anywhere.
'Made in Japan' is apparently stamped on the heel of the neck.
Non-lawsuit headstock. With script font.
Tuners appear to be the ribbed Gotoh Kluson style.
Made in Japan is stamped on the pots too.
No visible Tokai markings on the bridge.

I've read some Tokais were produced without serial numbers, but I'm guessing these were also the easiest to copy!

I'd be very grateful of anyones opinions on all this.

I'll try to attach photos here from photobucket:














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J.E.M.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The neck and tuners look like legit 1985, the guard and bridge/saddles are not original, the body looks right but without cavity pics not much more can be said.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank JEM that's a start at least. I can post any internal pics until I have it, but then it's too late I guess..

Looking from the front it seems like the body is squared off at the jack input. Is this normal for a breezy or should the curve of the body continue?

Thanks again
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J.E.M.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The catalogs can be found here;

http://www.tokairegistry.com/catalogs.html#1985Cat

The neck is legit but, I don't think I've seen a Tokai body in that color double bound so if I had to guess I'd think the body might not be legit but hopefully some of the other more knowledgeable members will chime in.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

84 TTE looks like a good match to me.
having looked again, an 85 ATE52 is an even better fit


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks mdvinemd that's great news if it is. Think I'm getting the tokai bug before I've got my first one (with the exception of a jazz bass I've had for years)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are great guitars underestimated for years, as are the Epiphone Elites that are also made in Japan by Fujigen.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdvineng wrote:
as are the Epiphone Elites that are also made in Japan by Fujigen.


Just bought a 2002/2003 Elite SG with the correct Gibson head stock. Gotta say, I'm pretty thrilled with it.

Sorry... didn't mean to hijack the thread... carry on.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it you don't think I need to be concerned by the lack of a serial number?

And I'll have a look at those epiphones next time, they sound very interesting too.

Cheers for all the help so far
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

76pete76 wrote:
I take it you don't think I need to be concerned by the lack of a serial number?

And I'll have a look at those epiphones next time, they sound very interesting too.

Cheers for all the help so far


some Tokai's never had serial numbers for some reason.

judge a guitar by how it feels and how it sounds and never by the label, unless you are a collector looking for an investment, or you will miss a lot of sweet guitars.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
mdvineng wrote:
as are the Epiphone Elites that are also made in Japan by Fujigen.


Just bought a 2002/2003 Elite SG with the correct Gibson head stock. Gotta say, I'm pretty thrilled with it.

Sorry... didn't mean to hijack the thread... carry on.



here's my pair before cleaning and setup


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serial number was on the neck plate in '84-'85, has it also been changed... still not sure about the body, need to see the cavities to be sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry not sure how to tag people here...

JEM I hear ya. Not actually had a photo of the neck plate yet but I'm sure the seller would have mentioned it of it were numbered...
I am holding out hope that based on the rust pitting on the machine heads the rest of the metal work was in a similar state, so a previous owner might have changed the easier bits like bridge and neck plate but left the more fiddly machine heads....that's what im trying to tell myself anyway.

md thems a nice looking pair of axes, should clean up lovely.

As I mentioned I might be getting the bug Ive just bought another! Another (hopefully) japanese SG 3pup. Again not got my hands on it yet as im on holiday...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's got a three screw truss rod cover, so not Japanese.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balls! He gave me a serial number so I'll check it out
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