Is this a LS320?

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Is this a LS320?

Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:51 am

Is this a 320? Looks like a dark FB to me (Jacaranda ). But I hear other saying Jacaranda translates to something else in Japanese. And is not actually Jacaranda but Brazilian. Anyways it clearly does not look like Ebony to me. Wondering if the seller is trying to pass off a 200 as a 320.

http://www.tokairegistry.com/images/cat ... i20010.jpg

The reason I say this is it does not looks like it has fret edge binding (NIBS). Yeah, I know the 2nd pic below sort of looks like NIBS but the other pics do not. Really hard to tell. I could be totally wrong. I asked the seller for more pics and cavity shots etc. It does not have the pickguard drilled and it looks like they just did this on the 320 (would not drill it) and not the 200 but you could order anything custom from Tokai so who knows. It does looks like a really nice AAAA top. But could that also be ordered for a 200 custom? I know Tokai does weird stuff on custom orders. I actually have placed a custom order with Tokai before for a breezy. I order so much extra custom stuff SEB, nitro tuners bridge etc. They kept the model number the same though. I would have though with all the upgrades the number would have doubled or tripped.

The thing that is funny is the guitar is 60 miles away from me. So I can easily drive over there and see it. But I do not want to waste my time if it is a 200. And do not want to spend 320 money on a 200 either.

It is a 2002 from the SN
serial# 0205503


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Post by brokentoes » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:35 am

I don't see FEB myself. Just ask the seller if the fretboard is ebony.

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Post by togps » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:13 am

Don't buy a Tokai Premium guitar without its COA..

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Post by Paladin2019 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:09 am

togps wrote:Don't buy a Tokai Premium guitar without its COA..
A premium model from 2002 would not have one. I still have the original hang tags, receipt, warranty, even the shipping label from mine and there was no COA. I would definitely have kept it if there had been!

To me it looks like a 200. The top looks very, very similar to mine and mine certainly wasn't a special order - they just picked out damn nice tops. The fretboard could easily be ebony and it has the same uniform, ungrained appearance as mine. The absence of FEB is a big factor in my determination but there are several other things that can easily be checked.

1 - Aluminium tailpiece - the 320 had an alu TP, the 200 would have a normal heavy tailpiece.
2 - Electronics - The 320 had CTS pots and oil caps. The 200 had regular mid-range electronics (alpha pots, little green caps).
3 - Pickups - 200s had Gotohs, 320's had SD Seth Lovers.

They were also pretty good at writing the model number in the neck pickup cavity during these years. More pictures are needed from the seller.

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Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:29 am

@Paladin2019

Thanks for the info about the caps. I did not know there was a difference from the models. I knew about the Seth Lovers and the Aluminum tail piece. Though those two are easily replaced. The FEB it the one thing that cannot be easily replaced. Though a Luther can do it.

I have seen a few cavity shots with a 320 stamp in the neck PU cavity. I probably own around 10 Tokai guitars right now and none of then have the model # in the neck PU cavity though. So, that is a long shot.

It sort of blows my mind that the 320 did not have MOP inlays but the custom did. Though I guess the original Gibson 59 did not have this so that is why they did it that way.


I asked the seller for more pics last night so I should have more soon. It is from a guitar shop where they only sell very high end guitars. Most are double the price of this Tokai 320.

As for the Jacaranda FB vs ebony. Hard to tell. Not even sure I could tell in person as I do not have a Jacaranda FB guitar to compare to.

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Post by guitar hiro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:44 am

The seller only has 10 photos in their listing; none internal. Why is that?

I have a 2000 LS-320 that has the 'amber cell' inlays.
The one you are asking about doesn't look like it has the amber cell inlays.
Was Tokai using the amber cell inlays for the LS-320 in 2002? I don't know.

I wouldn't waste a two hour drive going to look at the guitar unless the seller is forthcoming with much more info first.

As a side note: the the top on that example is pretty boring.

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Post by luis » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:28 am

I am the lucky owner of two LS320s, one in Cherry Sundurts with a very nice flam with the typical Tokai COA and another one GT without BUT with a Tokai COA made for myself when ordered... Both are stellar...

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Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:32 am

@guitar hiro

It has the white inlays. For a second they almost looked MOP cause they were so white. Did they put Amber cell inlays in some and not others?

I saw this guiter a few months ago and thought the top was also boring. But they dropped the price by 20% the other day so I was thinking about it again.

He got back to me and said the guitar has no warranty card and will get me more pics later on today. Sort of thinking it may be a LS200.

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Post by Paladin2019 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:08 pm

aroomstudios wrote:@guitar hiro

It has the white inlays. For a second they almost looked MOP cause they were so white. Did they put Amber cell inlays in some and not others?
I forgot about this. All the 320's I've seen had really intense shimmering inlays. The 200's less so. These look like the inlays you'd get on a 200.

Can everyone please lay off the accusations of being "boring"!
Paladin2019 wrote:
The top looks very, very similar to mine
Some of us actually like clean lines! :wink: :lol:

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Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:27 pm

It looks like the cellophane wrap is still on the case handle. Then it sort of looks like the cellophane plastic is still on the control cavity. But they do not have the warranty card for it?

(Me) Do you have any other pics of the guitar? Like a pick of the warranty card with the model # and SN on it. A pic of the side of the frets showing the fret edge binding (NIBS). Or a shot of the Seth Lovers or any marking Tokai made in the PU control cavity if they did.

(Reply) Good morning. It does not have a warranty card. We can get some pictures in a bit.

https://www.guitarswest.net/listing/200 ... e/12070201

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Post by Paladin2019 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:40 pm

aroomstudios wrote:It looks like the cellophane wrap is still on the case handle. Then it sort of looks like the cellophane plastic is still on the control cavity. But they do not have the warranty card for it?
The warranty card on mine was written in Japanese. Maybe it was just thrown away because the owner couldn't read it.

My money says this will be settled by a mark in the pickup cavity. But would the shop be willing to take the pickups out to check?

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Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:01 pm

I will see what the pics show when they send them to me. If it does not have FEB then I would say it is not a 320. If it has FEBs then I can go from there. Might be worth a trip down there at that point.

On a side note I do not see what the big deal with amber cell inlays vs white inlays is. They are both plastic. Mother of Pearl on the other hand is a big upgrade but they did not do that on the 320. My early 80's LS 80 guitars have amber cell inlays and my newer non premium p90 sized gold top from Tokai has white inlays. I would not say one is better than the other in regard to the inlay color of either.

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Post by guitar hiro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:30 pm

Inlays for a 320 are IMO a distinguishing attribute & that's all

The later LS-380 also had Amber cell so, I would think it odd that a 320 doesn't

The big deal could be one of two things: there is an oddball 320 out there or someone could be paying more than they care to for a 200.

The fret board is IMO Ebony & the 2002 LS-320 should have FEB.

If you want a LS-200 from 2002 then it looks like you may have found one.

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Post by aroomstudios » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:40 pm

It is a LS200 for sure. No FEB no Seth Lovers and has 200 written in the PU cavity. The guy has it listed as a 320 and is charging a 320 price for it.

I think the guy clearly knows it is a 200. He went out of his way to not send the pics through Reverb.com and ask for my email address.

Here is all the links of the 200 being sold as a 320 if anyone wants to flag them. i already did on both ebay and reverb

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Tokai-Lov ... :rk:1:pf:0

https://reverb.com/item/12070201-2002-t ... shell-case




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Post by Paladin2019 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:59 am

aroomstudios wrote:It is a LS200 for sure. No FEB no Seth Lovers and has 200 written in the PU cavity. The guy has it listed as a 320 and is charging a 320 price for it.
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Such a shame. It's a beautiful, rare and excellent guitar in it's own right and in collector's grade condition. There should be no need to lie about it, especially when anyone who wants it is obviously going to ask questions. What did he say when you told him you knew the truth?

EDIT: the warranty card would have the model and serial number on it... No wonder he deosn't have a picture of it!

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