Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model

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Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model

Post by CliffsComicWorld » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am

Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980’s but I did not know they made some SA Models. Here is the run down.
No label or serial number
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Fret end bindings
Square routes for the pickups
Off center center block
Flamed maple top
Birdseye back
Gold bottom unmarked pickups

Anyone else?

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Re: Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model

Post by Paladin2019 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:01 pm

CliffsComicWorld wrote:Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980’s
Where did you hear this?

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Post by CliffsComicWorld » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:56 pm

It’s known that Tokai made Les Paul type guitars for Greco in the 1980’s. The hints are offset neck tenons and square routing for the pickup up feet in the body’s. These are Tokai construction traits.


Here is the pickup cavity routes on the Greco SA Model

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Post by villager » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:31 pm

well documented i have a few of them.. even have the tokai stamping in the cavitys sometimes..

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Post by CliffsComicWorld » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:18 am

The pickups are a mystery.... will have to break out my meter and measure them... they actually sound pretty good. I think I’ll pull a pot and see if there is a date on them.

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Post by villager » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:53 am

dont think the pu are original cliff, all the tokai made used the braided wire greco pus of the day...

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Post by _JDZ » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:18 am

First post for me here...

I have one just like Cliff's.

Pickups are the same:
Image3 by JDZ, on Flickr

Cavity routing is the same as on my 81 Tokai ES-150. Fujigen made Greco's don't have the relief in bridge PU cavity either, just a hole for the wire:
ImageBridgeCavity_s by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageBridgeCavity by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01534 by JDZ, on Flickr

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Post by _JDZ » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:47 am

Here's one of the POTs from mine

Given the open O on Greco (Mint Collection) and that Tokai was making Greco's in late 80's/early 90's, the pot would be FEB 1991?

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Post by villager » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:15 pm

interesting.. wonder why they used those pu and not the greco ones...

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Post by _JDZ » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:56 pm

Do you know what kind of pickups they are?

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Post by wulfman » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:29 am

I don't think you can be sure the pots are also original if it had a pickup change. Beautiful guitar regardless of the year.

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Post by _JDZ » Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:20 am

Thanks!

Both Cliff's and mine have the same pickups.
Assumed they were original to the guitars since they look to be the same?

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Post by villager » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:38 am

_JDZ wrote:Do you know what kind of pickups they are?
no I have never seen those type before..

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Post by duff » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm

build by tokai, painted by greco?

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Post by CliffsComicWorld » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:24 pm

I’ll pull a pot and take a picture of the pot codes....both of our guitars have this in common.
Tokai built
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Gold bottom pickups
Neck pickup has black wire lead
Bridge pickup has Gray wire lead

To be continued.....

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