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Is this a real 1981 LS60?

 
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Whittlez
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:37 am    Post subject: Is this a real 1981 LS60? Reply with quote

In reading the serial number info at Tokai Registry I'm confused in that it should have a zero in the second slot ?
But then it's an inkie and it seems the rules are a bit different?

Or I am confused

It seems a good price for a 1981 LS60 and I love the top!

Can somebody confirm if the serial is correct?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's what is known as an inkie. Serial number is inked not impressed. Not made in the main factory like most of the day, has the tenon dowels etc... It is an older model for the eighties, not 2001.

They are less desirable, for whatever reasons, and that reflects in the cheaper prices they usually go for.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Yea, I'm not convinced I want an inkie vs a conventional Tokai. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a LS50 inky that I've played for years and it's a real good guitar for the money.
The chip out of the neck on that one would put me off at that price though.
And I'd sure wonder why the action is set so high.

I notice the set of 'GOTO's on that one has 2 rows of slotted screws. Mine has the 2 rows of hex. Copying Dimarzio P.A.F's with slot and Super Distortion with hex?(although the P.A.F. had a row of slugs)

Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, if my spidey sense (tm) says CAUTION I listen and this one is setting mine off a bit

Fwiw, IMO anybody selling a guitar should be able to answer a question about the action - does it play low action with no buzzing or dead spots?

And have the tools to
Measure

I set my guitars (usually) at .040" at 12th fret for high E and that's a BASIC requirement for any guitar I buy

A guitar with uneven frets , or even s bit of a warped neck may Play fine at .070" for example but it's gotta play smoothly at LEAST as low as that for it to be solid to me

I've bought 4 used Edwards and a used HLS240 Tokai that have all met that standard

I'm seeing better deals from retailers than individual sellers on Reverb and Ebay

many if not most of the guys selling on both , once you do a little research (Japan based sellers) are selling guitars held by retailers and marking them up a few hundred

You order, they buy from The store and ship it to you, pocketing a few hundred for their troubles

I was looking for Tokai LP Customs and I saw a really familiar one on EBay

For about $1200

Sure enough I found it at guitar planet - exact same pictures and chips , dents etc for four hundred less (when you factor in shipping)

I am grateful to forums like this that pointed me towards GP, Ishibashi, etc

I have found GREAT deals from some individuals but it seems at least 50% are just selling retail guitars and charging you a few hundred more

What a joke








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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whittlez wrote:
many if not most of the guys selling on both , once you do a little research (Japan based sellers) are selling guitars held by retailers and marking them up a few hundred

You order, they buy from The store and ship it to you, pocketing a few hundred for their troubles


Good to know! Thanks for the heads up there.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

This is in fact a 1980 LS-60 made in the Nagano factory - not Hamamatsu.
They are very similar however the dowel in the tenon and the inked serial numbers are the tell.
1981 Nagano LS's started with 110xxxx, 1980 are 010xxxx.
hope this helps
PM

PS: The pickups are original. Gotoh PAFs of this era have 12 screws instead of the later 6 screw/6 bung like Gibson pups do. They should also have the letter 'S' beside the Goto stamp
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It definitely helps. Thx
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