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Almostpilot
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:41 am    Post subject: help on purchase decision, please Reply with quote

Hi
I apologize for the newbie questions, but I am new to the Tokai world.
All i know is that I heard a Tokai being played and was blown away. Plus i love anything made in Japan.
Anyway, I have to decide between a Early 80s Silverstar and a mid 80s Goldstar
I would like some help re the differences between the two (was one better quality build than the other? Was one more expensive than the other originally?) and any info that might make me make up my mind.
Here are pros and cons for each one (price not being an issue for me on these two)
Goldstar pros
i have played it, and oh it sounds so sweet
Can collect in person
Goldstar cons
Lacks a back plate
Is a bit marked, has a little notch on the neck, and various other beauty marks
Less collectable than an early silverstar?

Silverstar pros
Almost mint condition lawsuit era model
More collectable than Goldstar?


Silverstar cons
Not near me, so I cannot try it before purchase and check how it sounds
It is described as perfect... But you never know.
Will have to be shipped (possible damage)

Look forward to your comments!
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Barks67
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have photos, links, model numbers etc for both?
Depending on model number the Goldstars from mid 80's are excellent guitars and quite vintage accurate for the 50's 60's era. St 50 and up.
The Goldstars are not valued quite as highly as the early eighties Springy , but in reality that is because of the Spagetti logo - most would agree that the build, components and wood quality is the same.
The Silver Stars are very funky looking - and as I understand it Tokai improved the micro tilt mechanism of the 70's Fender era so that it actually was reliable! Again they came in a few model number variants.
The number on a Tokai represented the price in yen, so the higher the number the better the spec.
Price would be a deciding factor, I'm not really sure that the SS is more collectable or valuable than the Goldstars. Backplate is not really an issue as they can be replaced from an ownership angle, but it may help in negotiating price.
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Almostpilot
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:21 am    Post subject: Serial nos Reply with quote

Okay
The silverstar is a SS48 serial 1013090
The Goldstar has L22640 on the neck plate and the shop has it as a 1984 model.
That is all i could find out. Hope it helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Barks says, it really depends on the model number.
When the Goldstar Sound has E pu's (higher model number), I wouldn't hesitate.
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Almostpilot
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you
How can i find the model number? i asked the guy in the shop to tell me and all he gave me was the neckplate number which i know refers to the Fender model being copied.
Which TS no has the E pu.s?
Thanks all info much appreciated
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont let the backplate hold you back either, i know its a personal thing, but i prefer my strat without it. It livens up the sounds to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almostpilot wrote:

How can i find the model number?


If it hasn't been removed, a little oval sticker on the heel of the neck.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almostpilot wrote:

Which TS no has the E pu.s?


I'm not really sure, my best guess is ST80 (maybe even ST60?). But if it has factory fitted "E's", its a higher end model.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

st 40 has ceramic pickups (with the bar magnets on the back),
st 50 has 'U' pickups
st 60 has either 'U' or 'E' pickups
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless they have been changed, you can identify the lower model st40 by the single cast bridge and the tuners with chrome covers.
The St 50 and above, have Kluson type with Deluxe or Tokai on them and bridges with a tone block and plate.
The rest is determined by pickups, number of pieces of wood the body is comprised of and sometimes colour etc.
Without the label it is tricky as many things could have been changed, but at least the ST 40 can be easier to identify.
Someone may correct me but I don't think a maple necked ST40 was ever an option?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silverstars are undervalued in my opinion. You can get 1970's spaghetti examples for up to ?100 less than 1980's goldies. Better bang per buck if you just want a great guitar.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the Suki, especially as the SilverStar is much better build quality than the Fenders they replicate!
I guess the undervaluing mirrors the same desirability between small headstock Fenders and their large headstock seventies counterparts.

When I was in Tokyo last year I had the opportunity to get a late seventies SilverStar for 20k yen - 3 tone burst, black scratchplate and rosewood neck. I so wanted it, but the LS160s goldtop for 50k got to come home with me!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi barks, yes they did do a maple fretboard st40, i had one in bb, sold to suki,
great guitar.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonah65 wrote:
hi barks, yes they did do a maple fretboard st40, i had one in bb, sold to suki,
great guitar.


I thought the jury was out on that one. It had Kluson type tuners and no evidence of holes from ST40 tuner types
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

, not that one, the black one, youve got too many suki.
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