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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally use 9s or 10s... I don't see the point in making more work for myself than is necessary
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to that.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revisiting this because I got my LS and I love it, but I have a few questions:

I read somewhere that the nitro-cellulose finish techniques used in the US are prohibited in Japan (???), and that what they call lacquer is a polynyas with a nitro on top of that. This sounds silly, but you guys are knowledgeable so I thought I'd ask.

Also, the ash bodies that that tokai uses on the new models, how many pieces do the use on the body? I see that for alder they use 2, but I'm thinking ash cause I like the ash grain aesthetically speaking.

And lastly, how useable are the whammy bars on them? I had a PRS SE that the whammy bar was pretty inconsistent with holding the tuning.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hekdiesel wrote:


I read somewhere that the nitro-cellulose finish techniques used in the US are prohibited in Japan (???), and that what they call lacquer is a polynyas with a nitro on top of that. .



That's what Tokai calls "Lacquer Finish" in the catalogues

A few top premium LS models are called "lacquer" (all lacquer/nitro finishes?) in the catalogue.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it seems from a quick look to the catalog that anything above a 100 series will have a lacquer finish, but how is that different than nitro-cellulose (if it is different)?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hekdiesel wrote:
Yeah, it seems from a quick look to the catalog that anything above a 100 series will have a lacquer finish, but how is that different than nitro-cellulose (if it is different)?


Tom Anderson, John Suhr, PRS, none of them use Nitro, companies that use nitro today all have plasticisers in their nitro and most have a poly undercoat.
In fact, Fender have been using "Fullerplast" since 1963 which is used for sealing and pore filling before topcoating with nitro or another finish.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in other words, what you're saying it that none of the premium guitar manufacturers are using nitro-only finishes?

I just want to get a handle on this, because theres so much (mis)information out there, that it's hard to reconcile it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:


companies that use nitro today all have plasticisers in their nitro and most have a poly undercoat.
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Not all.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More questions!!!

Today I was out on a strat recognizance mission, and played Tons of strats from American standards to vintage reissues to artist series (no custom shop stuff).

Essentially I found out that I hate the "modern C" fender neck, I don't like the "v" neck, and the "thick C" neck on the John Mayer signature strat was pretty nice.

With that said, does anyone know what kind of neck comes on the new AST100 88 and 70 models? And also do the have vintage slim frets or what do they come with?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No AST models come with thin Vintage frets, they have medium sized frets...huge improvement over the thin Vintage frets.

The necks are not chunky, they're modern C shaped with a 9.5" radius.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?

It's not even like a "thick C" like the john Mayer strat?

That kinda blows, I was thinkng about getting an AST, but the modern c necks are sooo toy-like to me. darn it!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
No AST models come with thin Vintage frets, they have medium sized frets...huge improvement over the thin Vintage frets.

The necks are not chunky, they're modern C shaped with a 9.5" radius.


That means they're pretty much comparable to American Standard Fender, right? Can someone confirm that's true?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now AST/ATE F/B have radius is 240R (240mm), its about 9,5"
But some AST/ATE guitars have radius 300R (300mm), its about 12"
It depends on the year of manufacture and the specific dealer requests.
Sometimes the specification depends on dealer wishes. They are very flexible on this matter.

Keep in mind that Japanese manufacturers use metric tools, and so the real dimensions are slightly smaller. For example if they wrote that the radius is 240R (240mm), this means that it is 9.4488". 300R (300mm) radius its 11.811" Some say that they do not feel the difference. I feel it. Try to compare Fender American Vintage 62 neck with 7,25" radius and Fender Japan ST-62 neck with 184mm (7.2440" ) radius.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Stralt.
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