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Help IDing a Tokai Silver Star, or did I buy a fake
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Phil Mastro
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Help IDing a Tokai Silver Star, or did I buy a fake Reply with quote

First Tokai, first post! I bought what I what appears to be a 1982 Silver Star on Yahoo Auctions for real cheap. Here's the link to the finished auction:

http://aucview.aucfan.com/yahoo/m126619667/

It was marked as a "junk" item, so basically it was selling as-is. It's in fairly rough condition, but that's also why I purchased it. I like building guitars, but don't have much of a workshop in my condo. I figured fixing guitars required less heavy equipment, so I bought a guitar that needed a little love.

Having said that, it actually plays pretty well, and sounds quite good too. However, I can't tell what model it actually is. The tuners have also been replaced, so I really have no idea how to ID it.

I've taken it completely apart, so I can take pics of the inside if it helps. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil

Edit: after comparing the serial number with others on the site, it seems unlikely that it's a real Tokai, unless there's some special serial number business of which I'm unaware. I'll try and post some pictures later.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally took some pictures, here they are:















If pics of any other parts would help, I'll be glad to post them.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not a tokai body, greco possibly.. any marks on the neck end?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 not a tokai body.

What about the electrics? can you share pics?
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Phil Mastro
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
not a tokai body, greco possibly.. any marks on the neck end?


Thanks for the tip. That seems right, I've found a few other threads with very similar looking routing, in some Grecos and Ibanez.

Here are some pics of the electronics, but I don't think they're the originals.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Don't think these are Tokai electrics. My Silverstars have grey bottomed pups.

If we can see a pic of the neck heel, we can tell you if it's likely to be a tokai neck.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suki wrote:
I Don't think these are Tokai electrics. My Silverstars have grey bottomed pups.

If we can see a pic of the neck heel, we can tell you if it's likely to be a tokai neck.


Do you mean the butt end of the neck? There's nothing on there. If you mean the underside of the neck in the neck pocket, I've posted a picture of it in my previous post with pictures.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I mean the butt of the neck. If there's nothing there, I suspect this is 100% Fakai.

Is the decal on the headstock proud of the rest of the lacquer or does it appear underneath/flat and the same level?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has the 'ink' serial type.

1980/81 ink serial Tokai LPs do have a dowel tenon like the ones made in Fujjgen plant at that time. It is thought these were (partly) outsourced by Tokai.

I do log 1977-1981 Tokai's.
I have logged over a 100 1980/81 Tokai Fender models with the same serial type but haven't bothered looking at routing for I am mainly interested in LPs.
This is also not the first ink serial type from 1982 I have seen.

I think this is a legit 1982 outsourced Tokai.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Jacco is right. Gabe.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suki wrote:
Yes I mean the butt of the neck. If there's nothing there, I suspect this is 100% Fakai.

Is the decal on the headstock proud of the rest of the lacquer or does it appear underneath/flat and the same level?


The decal is definitely under the lacquer.

Thanks for all the help, it's been extremely informative. The amount of information regarding these guitars is astounding, and it's definitely giving me some GAS.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The selector switch looks typical Tokai. 5 way with soft positions 2 and 4.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,
This is an interesting beast.
Firstly the body is NOT a Tokai. Route is totally incorrect.
Pickups are not Tokai. Wrong wiring colours for Tokai.
Serial is fabricated IMO. Whilst Nagano-made models did feature a '1' as the second number, this seems to be only for 1980 and 1981 models.
I am yet to log another '82 Silverstar with this number sequence. Further more, the last 4 digits are too low to run with other 1982 Silverstars I have logged.
Please understand, I am only going by the data I have collected - but that is not to say the serial number is not genuine.
One thing about Tokai was the ability to break thier own rules.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to disagree about the serial range Peter.
Inkie/Matsumoto/Nagano (or how you want to call them) Tokai's have their own serial ranges in 1980 & 1981, independent from Tokai Hamamatsu serial ranges. This particular serial no,ber falls within the ranges found in 1980 & 1981. And as I said this is not the first 1982 model I have encountered.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tokai-Silver-Star-1981-die-bessere-70s-Strat-/271583912015?pt=Gitarren&hash=item3f3ba9a04f Another outsourced Tokai, Fuji Gen, Greco? I`d never seen one before this one, then along comes another one!
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