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javamusic
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:19 pm    Post subject: 80's Navigator Reply with quote

Really? Is it as good as he says?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1980-Navigator-Les-Paul-true-ESP-built-not-Kasuga-made-very-rare-/201122373662?pt=Guitar&hash=item2ed3d3e01e
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cashcow
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So good it eats Tokai's for lunch.....

"The holy grail. True ESP built in 1980, not the junky Kasuga built ones that everyone else tries to pass off as the real-deal vintage ESP Navigator Les Pauls. Solid maple figured top, one piece body, one piece neck (truly one piece, without even separate headstock "wings"), long tenon style construction, no heel cap. The best vintage Les Paul ever made in Japan. Eats a Tokai LS-200 for lunch. Pot codes date to 1979.

For more info on the true ESP built vintage Navigators, type this into Google.

Navigator: Uncharted. A History of Vintage Navigator LPs (1976 ? 1985)

...and read the section with the title "January 1981: A Snapshot as of Early October 1980."

Please educate yourself and read this article - it is important that you learn the difference between the exceptionally rare ESP built vintage Navigators (like this one) and the Kasuga outsourced ones.

Guitar is in absolutely excellent condition. Plays beautifully with great action. Sounds awesome. Fairly chunky '59 style neck profile. Virtually no fret wear and zero fretboard wear (absolutely no divots). No breaks or repairs, ever. No wear on the back of the neck. The only real condition issues to point out are the finish chip on the top near the binding on the lower bout, and there is finish cracking completely encircling the three-way rhythm/treble toggle switch (if you take off the plastic rhythm/treble ring, the guitar's clear top finish is actually stuck to the bottom of the plastic ring, so there is a little circle shape of the guitar's finish that comes off, the size of the plastic rhythm/treble ring, but then fits back in place like a "puzzle piece" when you put the plastic ring back on). The dark spot in the top between the knobs is not a crack or damage or wear at all - it is a natural dark grain mark in the maple top itself, actually very characteristic of these earliest true ESP built Navigator Les Pauls (in fact, that is sometimes another way of identifying these ridiculously rare guitars). Comes in the black hard shell case shown.

Yes, it's expensive. But try to find another one like this - trust me, it is not possible. Chances are, if you think you've seen or owned one before, it was actually a Kasuga made one (short tenon, heel cap, headstock wings, etc), and not a true ESP built vintage one like this. I have never seen one like this for sale in the United States, let alone on eBay. Again, please educate yourself on these and Google/read the "Navigator: Uncharted" article mentioned at the top of this description. And for fun, Google: Mick Taylor Hot Licks, and check out the vintage Navigator Les Paul that Mick Taylor played in that early 1980s video (another ultra rare true ESP built vintage Navigator Les Paul...)."
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adoring_fan107
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a navigator les paul from 79'. Kasuga built but im not sure astheres no serial number and its built REALLY well and plays great. I have no experience with this particular guitar but they aint worth $5000. Might as well buy a new one haha.
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wulfman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, I had one of those early 80's ESPs and sold it for way less than $5000. It was a pretty awesome guitar but I like my Tokai LS-150 better.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its so good why did they use those shitty green caps?

and how does he know it will eat an LS-200 for breakfast? stupid comment, I very much doubt if he has ever even SEEN an LS-200 never mind played one .
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's his own website he's referring to.
I had a discussion with him about the statements he made on that website and could point out several things that just were not right. But he hasn't taken the time to change it. I know now as of why.
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villager
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah ok thought i recognized the link, its nice to see other people interested and researching, but to make comments like this is crazy and throws any other research into doubt...

heh when do i get my burny page from u?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I need another approach, I am too precise.
I want to be sure what I write is bulletproof but can I be?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no never but u r better than most...
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JVsearch
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
no never but u r better than most...

+1

You're not one given to "flights of fancy" in your research.
Many are.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
ah ok thought i recognized the link, its nice to see other people interested and researching, but to make comments like this is crazy and throws any other research into doubt...

heh when do i get my burny page from u?


I'm guessing the 'research' was to sell the guitar more than anything though, so probably not as factually correct as it could be. I see he's thrown his dummy out on the mylespaul forum and deleted his posts because a few people disagreed with a few points on his infomercial .
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