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javamusic

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http://www.apionet.or.jp/~koiz/

I came across this guitar Koiz selling on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/hand-made-LP-with-Burny-VH-1-build-by-Japanese-Lutheir-Guitar-/171187749998?

He described it having a one Pc solid Mahogany back. Since the bid was over and I subscribed to his Facebook group, I contacted him to buy this guitar. When the guitar arrived, yes it is the same guitar on eBay but it turned out having 2 pcs back which is of significant less value.

I confronted him about this and he claimed that I had never asked him and he never said that it had one pc back, and carrying on saying that a solid one pc back Les Paul would cost over $2000. When I asked why he posted such description on eBay he just avoided answering. I demanded a full refund including all shipping because he posted misguiding description and he declined. I did not ask him again about these details because they have all been laid out in his eBay description and now he is not honoring his words. And I thought all Japanese dealers are honest people, what a lesson.

Beware of this seller!
 
Sorry to hear that.
Hopefully eBay can refund your lost expense for this.
Another seller of "vintage japanese guitars" you may want to avoid as well is this one:

http://www.ebay.com/usr/karafutomasu

Known for shill bidding and other sketchy stuff...
 
From the item description on eBay:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

That sure sounds like a 1 piece back to me......
 
triniloverock said:
Sorry to hear that.
Hopefully eBay can refund your lost expense for this.
Another seller of "vintage japanese guitars" you may want to avoid as well is this one:

http://www.ebay.com/usr/karafutomasu

Known for shill bidding and other sketchy stuff...


Thanks, noted.
 
buyer should not start such nega campaign in this forum.
it is out of rules it is.
The first place, this deal is not done on ebay.
nobody win at this auction???.

This link is one of those things when you auction long before the sale of completely irrelevant is satisfied with this trade. But was no one bidder. but I do not sell to affirm never to "one P back maho" in direct transactions with this deal.
The buyer did not pay the money in the two months Sold Out of the instrument. I turned down all other offers. It is insane buyer.Buyer refused proposals for the return from me.Buyer ran this negative campaign to beat the deliberation rule buyer be despite pending in paypal. Ignore my advice


Sorry I am power seller ebay.
I so pride that.
I got over 500(99.3% ) satisfactions.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=koiz-guitar&ftab=AllFeedback
this buyer had no feedback on international deal.

this is all.
 
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.
 
Sat2013 said:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.

Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?
 
javamusic said:
Sat2013 said:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.

Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?

my friend report me you Cowardly Campaign.
Wake up! he said .
He is well known american Pro guitarist.
 
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Just curious Sat..... from your ebay description, it says:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

I read that as two piece solid maple top and one piece solid mahogany back. Is that not correct? And whether the sale was on ebay or not, that is the description of the guitar.
 
Where is the seam on the back ?? Do you have any pictures ?? i don't see any sign of a seam inside the pup cavities but i do admit its hard to see with the pictures on the ebay listing.
 
brokentoes said:
Where is the seam on the back ?? Do you have any pictures ?? i don't see any sign of a seam inside the pup cavities but i do admit its hard to see with the pictures on the ebay listing.

The seam is visable on reflection. You can a clear straight seam righg at the middle, no mistake.

Furthermore, the seller admitted that it is a 2 pcs body.
 
marcusnieman said:
Just curious Sat..... from your ebay description, it says:

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

I read that as two piece solid maple top and one piece solid mahogany back. Is that not correct? And whether the sale was on ebay or not, that is the description of the guitar.

Yes Sato, please answer the question and stop detouring the question by bashing me.
 
Sat2013 said:
javamusic said:
Sat2013 said:
Hey man " I only know 3 chords".
You should study what is good guitar ,what is bad guitar.
There are so many teachers in this forum.

and u should know more another chorhs.

only 3 cords you can not enjoy guitar!!.

Hey what are you doing up so late. You refused to settle this issue with me and told me good night because you had to go to bed. So is this another lie?

my friend report me you Cowardly Campaign.
Wake up! he said .
He is well known american Pro guitarist.

Cowardly? I asked you to explain to me why the good does not meet your description but you are evading. I said I would bring this to the net and you told me to bring it on!
 
i thought koiz's webshop and website were more of a "look but don't touch" emporium... shame it has come to this. hopefully Sat has the good sense and decency to make it right with this justifiably unhappy buyer.
 
this chinese buyer contact me via my facebook page .
and buyer interest this guitar and wanna purchase it.

and I explain about this guitar to himdirectly before he decide to take it.
I did explain that
"this guitar is center 2 P solid maple and solid moho back".

He decide to take it.

this guitar is solid flame maple top.
and had great sounds.
good 1 K usd guitar this is.

and this buyer did start nega campaign on my facebook page.
I report this campaign to facebook as spam.
Facebook delete this nember ASAP.

page had over 1 k members.

https://www.facebook.com/Koiz.Japan?ref=hl

I reports so many news about Japan vintage guitars.
or Koiz collection reviews or sounds videos.

Well I still this price is fair price.

The buyer started this campaign to be despite the struggle in the PAYPAL.

that all.

I will report so much news via my FB Page .
Don't miss it.



Sat
 
Sat, with all due respect, from YOUR eBay posting here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/hand-made-LP-with-Burny-VH-1-build-by-Japanese-Lutheir-Guitar-/171187749998?nma=true&si=Ti5ZbEBo2oc8IMqNBiKseSMNdNU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

"Body: Center 2 P Solid maple with One P solid Mahogany."

It says ONE PIECE SOLID MAHOGANY for the back. Right??

Now that it is known to have a two piece back, if you look at the two photos showing the back of the guitar, you can see the center seam in the second photo. But if you didn't know it was there, it could easily be missed.
 
Sat2013 said:
this chinese buyer contact me via my facebook page .
and buyer interest this guitar and wanna purchase it.

and I explain about this guitar to himdirectly before he decide to take it.
I did explain that
"this guitar is center 2 P solid maple and solid moho back".

He decide to take it.

this guitar is solid flame maple top.
and had great sounds.
good 1 K usd guitar this is.

and this buyer did start nega campaign on my facebook page.
I report this campaign to facebook as spam.
Facebook delete this nember ASAP.

page had over 1 k members.

https://www.facebook.com/Koiz.Japan?ref=hl

I reports so many news about Japan vintage guitars.
or Koiz collection reviews or sounds videos.

Well I still this price is fair price.

The buyer started this campaign to be despite the struggle in the PAYPAL.

that all.

I will report so much news via my FB Page .
Don't miss it.



Sat

I am from Hong Kong, not China. How boes my nationality has anything to do with this?

During our conversation on FB you never mentioned about the back, but I did ask if the top is solid flame maple, please check you FB message again.

Not a question if the price is fair, I am looking to buy a solid back but you misled me into buying this!
 
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