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Voidoid56
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it was definitely a HNGD, thanks man.

I've had a multimeter on the shopping list for ages, now seems a good time to finally get one. I'll try to get back to you on that one, jacco.

But I'd say they're pretty low output compared to my other two LP's. Both the RLC-60 ('87 too, if I remember correctly) and the ObG Goldtop drive the amp noticeably harder, and the RLG is definitely brighter than both.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Hans!

Your RLC-60 will have VH3s, those measure a little higher; around 8.05-8.30 and are ceramic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so the VH3's are ceramic, didn't know that.

The RLC sounds excellent, but different from the RLG. A dirtier, edgier sound, good for Neil Young impressions (the guitar is even the right colour ) but still with a healthy dose of Les Paul "gold" and finesse. The RLG seems to be able to cover most of the classic rock 'burst spectrum, from Green via Kossoff to Page.

Ironically, the ObG, is the worst of the trio, soundwise. An astonishingly pretty, well-built and vintage correct MIJ instrument, let down by flat- and compressed-sounding US pups. I'm considering swapping them out for HB-size P-90's, we'll see.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a Terada or Fujigen build ObG?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
i forgot i got a very early rlc 60 some time ago ... with 250 k pots
i will post pictures soon
pickups are 7.9 k ohm brigde and 8.07 neck .. green cap gray wire7
alnico magnets and all black


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@jacco: I seem to remember having "determined" that the ObG is Fujigen-built, but I don't recall by which criteria..? Is the serial number the tell-tale?

Grey wire and green caps in my RLC as well. I might have pics available if anyone's interested?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The serial is the tell tale sign for which factory your ObG was built at .

The Fujigen serials don't have a letter and will just be 6 numbers whereas the Terada ObG's have the G prefix, I'm guessing that's to distinguish them as Gibson pups as opposed to the K Orville (Kuramae) sticker serial terada ones or the later J Orville (Japan?) prefixed terada serials.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voidoid56 wrote:
@jacco: I seem to remember having "determined" that the ObG is Fujigen-built, but I don't recall by which criteria..? Is the serial number the tell-tale?

Grey wire and green caps in my RLC as well. I might have pics available if anyone's interested?


Pics please!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ObG is in the rehearsal room right now, but I'm 99% sure there's no initial letter in the serial. So, Fujigen, yes.

Below is a link to a bunch of photo's of my RLC-60, taken first time I opened it up in May last year. Interestingly, the two visible pot codes is one 70 and one 84, which (I guess?) would date the guitar '88, not '87, right?! I was only dimly aware of the significance of pot codes when I took the photos, I need to have another look at the other pots. Is that amount of "anachronism" between codes common??

No frontal head shots, but it's got the Gibby-correct split diamond inlay and bell TRC.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5ex0zieopiv43l9/Uws_clmB-y
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's 7D, december 1987 on the volume pots. The tone pots have 84 = april 1988.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting, thanks!

Ok, so that would put the guitar's date at mid-'88, right? Are the pickups VH-3's?

BTW, I have an post-'89 RSA as well (sold to me as a RSA-100, but there's is no label or anything to confirm it), I can get some detail snaps of that as well, if you like. You seem to have some serious Burny research going on there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep mid 1988.
And those pickups are 2nd gen VH-3 indeed.

Tes please, post pics of the RSA!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot, always nice to get firm ID and year of manufacture.

I'll take a look at the RSA during the weekend. I was going to restring it anyway, so I might as well break out the screwdriver.

BTW, this thread is hardly the right place, is it? Shall I start a new one, or is there some kind of Burny info thread already going on?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're in the Burny section of the forum..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True dat. I'll get back to you.
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