Matching body/neck codes misinformation?

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Do body/neck codes have to match?

  • Yep, to be all original

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  • By no means

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jacco said:
On the other hand, another fellow forum member and logger Reborn Old, did say earlier this year that after a few years of logging he never had seen a code with a number higher than 15 as second digit and therefore didn't think it was a date code.

To be clear, I've been logging serial numbers only.
My stamp # observation one month ago, was from a quick sample of pics on hand at that moment.
I did obviously find higher numbers shortly afterwards, but my only point was that most numbers from the small sample had low second numbers.
 
More pics of the supposedly '78 partsocaster

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Hi Vadim,

This is by no means an effort to offend you or your friend - just a statement of observations borne of knowledge.

Body : truth be told I am a little shocked. The body looks genuine 1978. All the hallmarks are there for a high-end body, possibly ST-80. The neck pocket grain is ash and the control cavity has no shoulder [required for 11-screw pickguard] Ash is quite porous and tends to soak up the finish, leaving it irregular and not smooth, hence the introduction of alder. The shot of the front pickup cavity clearly shows the finish absorbtion by the grain - alder would not be so violent.

By 1979 all ST and SS bodies, ash or alder, had the cavity shoulder.

My conclusion would still be Partsocaster : St-80 body+electrics with St-50 neck
regards
Peter Mac

PS : Love the socks
 
Another anomaly, two different codes on the same body.

neckpup cavity '11=1'
control cavity '1=7BL A Z'
neck end/heel '2=13A'
and seems like there's 'V' written to the neck pocket

the guitar is:

7okai "Breezysound" TE-80 #01xx
Ash body / Butterscotch blonde
V-profile maple neck,
Deluxe stamped tuners,
FINAL Pro.Spec. stamped vintage bridge / Brass saddles
 
jacco said:
There are so many.

1981 ST-50
SN 102xxxx
neck: 7 = 4
body: 8 = 5 MR X

I?m a little confused here, what do you mean by neck, the neck heel, neck pickup cavity or neck pocket?

I refer to the body code only, not the neck heel/body codes.
Only 1 body code in your example, my example has 2 different body codes.
 
Neck = neck code to me, otherwise I would say neck pickup cavity code.
Just another contribution to the mismatch pool.
 
jacco said:
Neck = neck code to me, otherwise I would say neck pickup cavity code.
Same here.

felixcatus said:
I?m a little confused here, what do you mean by neck, the neck heel, neck pickup cavity or neck pocket?
I asked because your example contains only 2 code series. And I thought you were referring to the example in my previous post, the 2 series of codes on one and the same body.
jacco said:
There are so many.

1981 ST-50
SN 102xxxx
neck: 7 = 4
body: 8 = 5 MR X
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The ST50N above is my guitar and I have a few questions......
The neck appears original per the codes but there is also the tooling marks in the neck cavity.I have inspected them and there is no evidence of being plugged.If someone were to drill and plug I would think the plug would be flush and not recessed. Also the serial number is pre 8002xxx and is stamped into the cover which I believe Peter said shouldn't be.The 50 stamp is also missing from the last fret??






 
Model type stamp on body = no fretboard stamp. That is normal for 1978.
Normal neck plate = serial number etched on neck plate, small neck plate = serial number stamped on neck. So that's also normal.
 
What Peter meant was that up to about 8002000 there's a mix of both small and normal neck plates. After that only the normal neck plate variety.
 
Here's an interesting quote from Gottfried (Tokaiguitar.de) on nov 13 2006 on Japanaxe forum:


"any explanations/info with regarding those cavity markings?


These are production schedules: 4 = 3 for example means: The third bulk/ charge of guitars in the month April. In the past I was meaning that would be matching codes. To match and fit the correct neck ino the neck pocket of the body. I met one month ago the president of Tokai. I told him my meaning. He was loughing and said: "Oh no, instead of Fender ... our tool machines were working very correct in the eighties. There were no need to use match codes"
 
So this is very interesting info - the codes appear to have a purpose, and in most cases they would match, but because the quality was so consistent, it was not necessary to match codes.
 
Of course I did Felix, I thought I had read it somewhere before :D

But without joking, knowing who said it reinforces the quote quite a bit.
 
I have two Springy's here, presumably both ST80:

SN: 102xxxx
neck: 9=13, D neck shape
neck pickup cavity: 10=2 GS x
control cavity: 10=4 GS
body looks like alder with nitro finish
A stamp on pickguard, E stamp pickups
Fender-style truss rod nut

SN: 900xxxx
neck: 1=8 and 80 on fretboard, V neck shape
neck pickup cavity: 3=7 GS
neck pocket: ST 80 stamp
body sen, looks like poly finish
A stamp on pickguard, E stamp pickups
Allen screw truss rod nut

What do you think?
 
First one sounds like a ST-60.
Could you please PM me the full serial numbers for my serial log?
 
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