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finish on reborn LS-60 ..nitro? or poly?

 
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villager
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: finish on reborn LS-60 ..nitro? or poly? Reply with quote

i have heard different reports on this ..
the love rock LS-60's I am sure are poly..but the reborns I do not know ..any clarification appreciated..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Villager - I have long been intrigued by this too (my brother got a Springy Sound - which I played a lot - back in the early 80's), the finish seems too thin & flexible to be polyester, yet I was sure it isn't nitro like on my '64 Strat (or '81 Love Rock LS-150).

Turns out it's not nitrocellulose, but it's not polyester either ...
- it's polyurethane!

My friends Greg, Bob & I now have almost two dozen 1978 - 1981 Love Rocks & Springys (& one Breezy! - must fix that) between us. We all use the same luthier, Simon Pinder (Clapton, Stones, Bowie etc. etc. - now based in Hong Kong but worked in Japan for several years, & so of course very familiar with Tokai)

Simon found that the lower models - LS-50s & 60s, and also the ST-50s & 60s - have polyurethane finishes (all except one '78 Springy ST 60 which is nitro).

He says that whilst not as good or easy to patch up, work with or repair as nitro (in fact almost impossible, like with polyester), polyurethane is nevertheless way better than polyester, in that it moves with the guitar with the seasons etc, & can be much thinner than the dreaded polyester - which is a '2-pack' finish (often "instant cured" by UV light nowadays) that sets hard like glass - and can crack the same way with seasonal changes in the guitar. Simon explained that the more flexible polyurethane - when applied thinly and expertly like Tokai do - does not impede the tone like polyester can.

Can't offer any definitive information on which models got polyurethane and which got nitrocellulose in any given year, but I hope this is of some use!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you bill..
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cybercat wrote:
Can't offer any definitive information on which models got polyurethane and which got nitrocellulose in any given year, but I hope this is of some use!

Usually it's explicitely mentioned in the catalogs if they used nitro lacquer, e.g. on the new LS120F. If they don't mention a special feature, it's supposed to have the cheaper variant (also with other features like lightweight aluminum tailpiece). At least that's what I believe how their catalog descriptions work. It would be great if someone speaking Japanese could try to translate the 1978, 1979 and 1981 catalogs that are provided on the main site, because they are full of verbose information, as you can tell from the pages.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be great adding the 1982 catalogue as well (translationwise)

Hi, H-J! Great work - your review on the LOVE ROCK II!!!

...back from holiday, Hot Rod


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Rod wrote:
Would be great adding the 1982 catalouge as well (translationwise)

Right, do you have a Japanese girlfriend already?

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Hi, H-J! Great work - your review on the LOVE ROCK II!!!
...back from holiday, Hot Rod

Thanks, thought you would like it! Any broken legs during the holidays?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No "little itsy bitsy jap girl" yet, I'm working on it

No broken legs, gliding pilots are "selfish people", especially when flying in the alps

See ya all, Hot Rod

What the hell is sus4add11???
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Rod wrote:
What the hell is sus4add11???

Something better than a power chord... A fancy jazz chord with an additional 4th and 11th note, as far as I remember.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: After long absence Reply with quote

Hi

Because I changed my job in May and got much busier, I have been away from this forum for a few months, but am back to start following discussions gradually.

I checked my old Tokai catologues and found ;

1978&79 : LS-50 and LS-60 both polyurethane
1981 : LS-50 polyester, LS-60 polyurethane, LC-60 polyster

I still do not have enough time to translate everything, but I can do partially like above.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: After long absence Reply with quote

Daizo wrote:
I still do not have enough time to translate everything, but I can do partially like above.

Great, Daizo! Then this thread is for you...

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=16629
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