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hans-j?rgen
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JSD wrote:
Plywood??? Come on! Why are you spreading this BS?
KOREAN TOKIAS ARE NOT MADE FROM PLYWOOD!!!

In the thread that Ian referred to a new user bought a 2003 Korean Love Rock, and the catalog that lists plywood for some of the black and metallic colored Korean Love Rocks is from 2000 while the latest catalog from 2003-2004 lists either agathis or alder for the body. So probably that user really had a new 2003 Korean Love Rock in black with an agathis body and maple set neck (ALS48BB) which he himself confirmed in that thread when pulling out the pickup ("reddish wood").

I guess Tokai realized that plywood for some of the low end models isn't a great seller (feeds rumours etc.) and substituted it with agathis or alder from 2003 on. I didn't check when they started to use it, but the catalogs are all available on the main site. Pages 5, 6 and 9 list the year 2000 plywood models, by the way, but watch out for the file names that do not correspond to the listed page numbers on the catalog site:

http://www.tokairegistry.com/tokai-info/tokai-catalogs.html
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, again thx for your concern. Well i did win that LS50 and i expect a great gtr for that, thanks for pointing that one out. I know it may ve come a little cheaper in an auction but hey.
As for JSD, i ve talked to them and i rest reasonably assured i ll ge wat i m buying and no different specs. Only thing is if its mahog why do they named it als48 which denotes agathis?
anyway the deal is on, and when i get the guitar i ll let u know how it went.

cheers
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the LS50 Chu71! There a great guitar man!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks man my first Les... i ve wanted one for 20yrs!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Chu ? congrats on getting what should be a really lovely guitar ? hope it proves worth the 20 year wait . Wow $500 was great price on that guitar (yeah I know, there?s shipping & tax too, it?s a pain but ...) ? early Love Rocks also becoming collectible of course, so you?d easy get your money back if you ever want/need to sell. As with any old guitar be prepared to get it properly set-up & maybe budget for some fret levelling or whatever. Should be great LP tone through the Blues junior (nice amp I?m told ? never tried one). Yep as I said in PM, I'm sure JSD is fine and has genuine MIK Tokai, no problem, ... just personally like the old MIJ models ... sincerely hope you'll be happy with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chu71 wrote:
Only thing is if its mahog why do they named it als48 which denotes agathis?

As far as I know, the Canadian distributor (not JSD) had ordered a special version with mahogany bodies and maple tops, but maybe JSD can confirm that, too, and also give an URL for the distributor site.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As noted on my site all our Tokais are custom ordered by our supplier for the Canadain market to the specs shown on site.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JSD wrote:
As noted on my site all our Tokais are custom ordered by our supplier for the Canadain market to the specs shown on site.

By the way, how many parts do the mahogany bodies usually have? Looking e.g. at the faded tobacco sunburst model it seems to be a 2-piece back? What is their average weight?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah thanks , im sure it ll prove worth the wait...
the blues junior aint bad for clean tones and compressor pedals. i guess it s good for a first tube amp, cheapest around for sure.

only one flaw - it s a fender hehe

maybe we shud get tokai to sell tube amps
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokai did once make a small & very neat looking copy of small 1950?s Fender ?tweed? amp (looked like 5-watt 1955 Princeton ?wide-panel??) ? the Tokai was solid state & about 15-30watt I think ? it?s in the catalogues somewhere ? a couple just sold on eBay around $170. Presumably the Blues Junior will give a fairly ?crunchy? tone if pushed? If not then a used 1980's Marshall Silver Jubille 1x12 should do the trick (valve amp, 50w, around ?400) .

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hans-j?rgen wrote:
By the way, how many parts do the mahogany bodies usually have? Looking e.g. at the faded tobacco sunburst model it seems to be a 2-piece back? What is their average weight?


Sometimes two, sometimes three. Most of the time the seem is right in the middle, I've noticed on a few that there are two seems off to the sides. The weight usually runs around 9.5 pounds but I have had some run up to 10.5 pounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

finally!!!

both the ls50 and the CAN mik 2005 love rock arrived today...and no custom tax, august, spain, shortstaffed at customs office...COOL!!!

well first of all i have to say THIS CANADIAN SPEC 2005 MIK LOVE ROCK IS NO CHEAP GUITAR. believe me. it feels, looks, plays, and sounds as good as the '82 ls50. it s too early to make a judgement, but i wanted to make a point. it was mentioned on this thread that maybe these canadian spec tokais werent good but THEY ARE VERY GOOD VALUE, VERY NICE GUITARS. at least the ones from JSD. this aint no cheap guitar, its mahog and very well built, no flaws. i highly recommend it.

as for the ls 50, well its a beauty...im not an expert on les paul types, so i ll post more thoughts and some porn very soon...

thanks for the advice everybody!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

have to agree with chu.. I now own an 1984 MIJ LC Love Rock, and a 2004 MIK (Canadian Spec from JSD) Love Rock custom, and to be honest, the MIK feels, sounds and plays every bit as good as the MIJ. I have also owned Gibsons and to be honest, both these compare to my gibson well, if not in some departments better.

My 1984 has the fret line edge binding whereas the MIK does not (this is one of those details that make the guitar feel that bit more special), if the MIK had that I have no doubt it would feel just as good as the MIJ and my gibson (which also had the fret marker edge binding).

Chu.. 2 very very nice looking guitars !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh,?now I said I?d take the old LS50 in preference (easy choice imho), what I didn?t say, & don?t think I?ve ever said on this forum (or any other) is that the old one will definitely sound clearly better .

To me the old LS50 has other advantages as well as sounding pretty good. But the tone should be slightly different if only because the guitar has different pickups. Also, give it time for a really considered comparison?different volume & different situations, maybe through different amps (my guitars sound quite different through different amps). I think the old one may grow on you,?but if not then it was an excellent buy & as I said above should be no problem if you ever decide to sell.

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