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suggestion for a type of Grover tuners on a Tokai 1979 ls80?
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frankajoerg
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: suggestion for a type of Grover tuners on a Tokai 1979 ls80? Reply with quote

Hi!

has anyone here installed Grover tuners on a Tokai LS80 les paul reborn?

I want to put Grover tuners on it but unsure on what kind of Grover would fit the best.

any tips would be appriciated:)

here is a pic of my guitars neck:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankajoerg/7545577554/in/photostream


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to drill to make Grover tuners fit. They require a 10mm hole.

Why do you want to have Grover tuners ? I think there are enough quality aftermarket parts available that are a direct replacement.

Replaced tuners aren?t the worst thing in the world but I?d think twice before putting a drill bit on such a valuable instrument.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you want to put Grovers on it?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len wrote:
You need to drill to make Grover tuners fit. They require a 10mm hole.

Why do you want to have Grover tuners ? I think there are enough quality aftermarket parts available that are a direct replacement.

Replaced tuners aren?t the worst thing in the world but I?d think twice before putting a drill bit on such a valuable instrument.


hi and thanks for your reply!
I want to put Grover tuners on it because Grover has the most stable and reliable tuners out there, no?

I just want the best tuners for this baby but of course I dont want to drill if I dont need to but what kind of tuners would be the best replacement if not considering Grovers?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
Why do you want to put Grovers on it?


I suspect the tuners that are original might not be the best ones out there..

If someone can recommend another tuner kit that will do the job properly without drilling Im more than happy to hear about it:)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I?d try Schaller ST6B or Gotoh SD90 ... these should be a direct fit. Try to install them without changing the original bushings first. You can still remove wood and put Grovers in if you?re not content after that
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len wrote:
I?d try Schaller ST6B or Gotoh SD90 ... these should be a direct fit. Try to install them without changing the original bushings first. You can still remove wood and put Grovers in if you?re not content after that


thanks, I will check them out as I havent heard of them:)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gotoh SD90's would be closest to the originals I think.

Whatever happens, make sure you keep the original tuners safe. That's a 'vintage' guitar now and will retain more value with its factory hardware.

What sort of trouble are you having with your current tuners? Have you checked that the problem isn't the nut or your restringing technique?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin2019 wrote:
The gotoh SD90's would be closest to the originals I think.

Whatever happens, make sure you keep the original tuners safe. That's a 'vintage' guitar now and will retain more value with its factory hardware.

What sort of trouble are you having with your current tuners? Have you checked that the problem isn't the nut or your restringing technique?


Just wanted to upgrade it all when I got started with the RS kit, the Faber hardware and then eventually the tuners.

Havent had severe problems, might be going out of tune more often than on my other guitars but could be the nut as well.

Dont know what is original nut for the LS80/100s, anyone who knows this?

might change that too while im at it:)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankajoerg wrote:


might change that too while im at it:)


No need. I suspect the tuners are just fine, in which case all you would need is a professional technician to shape the existing nut slots, and Bingo - instant tuning stability without any unnecessary modification.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paladin2019 wrote:
frankajoerg wrote:


might change that too while im at it:)


No need. I suspect the tuners are just fine, in which case all you would need is a professional technician to shape the existing nut slots, and Bingo - instant tuning stability without any unnecessary modification.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do,do NOT drill!
Ever.

Always ream.

99% of tuning instability is the nut. Not the machine heads.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi, yes will ream it for sure.

I wont do this myself, but a pro tech will do all of this.

I tried to sell this baby here in Norway earlier but clearly Norwegians are spoiled and only care for Gibsons so it looks like I will keep it for ever!

and I dont mind:)

thats why Im not so concerned about the guitar loosing its value if reamed and modified. Its a great guitar and a rare one even though its a LS80 stamped neck and a LS100 stamped body and considered as the lower high end models, its still amazing!

So this will be a keeper for me and thats why Im gonna try to upgrade it to its best potential.

Dont know what nut is in it originally, but I ll let the tech look into that as well.

thanks for advices and I will go for short shaft version of the kit instead of the long shaft.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankajoerg wrote:
I wont do this myself, but a pro tech will do all of this.


This is no guarantee of quality work. Make sure to ask how the job will be done before leaving the guitar.

Do you really need Grovers? If your Kluson style tuners have too much lash find another set that will fit without changes. There are even locking Klusons available if you think this is what you need.

But tuners are rarely defective.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn it, the low e tuner head broke so i definetely need a new set now.

I ordered the GOTOH SD90MG-SL tuners, hope that will be a great fit!
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