Uncertain about my Burny...

sneakyjapan · Guitar God Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 1871

the new models in my catalog have 3 screws and precisely when the change from 2 was made I`m not sure.

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Ok, so I wrote a long e-mail to the fellow selling me the guitar, and got a fairly informative answer back. He seems to be quite knowledgeable about these guitars (and should be, since he imports them regularly second hand from a shop in Japan), and I think I'll settle with that, but it would be ok with some objective opinions too...

So basically he is saying:

- Burny produced a range of models from LPS-40 up to LPS-110 in Japan. These were standard '59 replicas. In addition there were some master built models that are more rare.

- Burny never had their own factory, but has had their instrumenst produced in several factories. Until 1980 they were produced at Fuji gen Gakki and Tokai Gakki(?), while they later were produced mostly at Nippon Gakki and Matsumuko when Fernandes took over.

- Burny had bell shaped trussrod cover througout 1980, while Greco used it throughout 1981. After this Burny added the ridges.

- Multiple piece body and neck is not unusual on the Japanese guitars - including the higher end models.

- He dates my guitar around the middle of the eighties and produced on the Nippon Gakki. It is laminated in much the same way as Yamaha SL (Studio Lord) and has umbraco truss rod adjustment.

- The model, he says, is LPS-55F, suggesting a 55k yen price in the year of production and "F" for the flamed "sycamore" (I think?) maple top. This is a real flamed maple top, and not photo laminate(?). I think that looks so too, but I'm no expert.

- He claims that intonation- and setup problems aren't uncommon on these guitars. Bridge studs can have changed under the pressure of strings, etc, wood is dynamic etc.

- The LPS-95/100-models were priced at about 50% more at the same time.

I haven't got the answer on the three trussrodcover screws, though...?

So should I still worry about this? If this is right, I have no problems using this guitar. It is alright, but I was worried about that fretboard business. The intonation problem isn't really a big one... I don't go far up on the bass e anyway.

This is actually a bit fun too, learning about all these guitars...

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

sneakyjapan · Guitar God Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 1871

as far back as 1997 they had 3 screws. I don`t have catalogs going back further than that.
The seller is right about the 55, many Japanese makers include the price in the model number, so it would have sold for 55,000 minus the standard 20% off list shops give in Japan. So, yes the 95 and 100 models would have sold for more.
Not sure about how common multi piece bodies are on higher end models... the upper level MIJs from the 70s and 80s that I have are 2 or 3 pieces... I suppose we could define 3 as multi. I`ve seen some older Greco 900 and up models with one piece bodies.
If you like the guitar...why worry? `course the intonation thing is not good though.

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

tokaiguy · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:22 am Post subject:

I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't...MIJ! Get a refund! TG

tokaiguy · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:30 am Post subject:

So this Wizard wants to sell you a new bridge? What a load of Crap! Refund and then get a Tokai from a reputable individual. It's a shame the way some people do buisness. Guitar Center is now trying to sell stuff on EBay at "INFLATED PRICES" ...68' Pelham Blue Melody Maker 1, bidding starts at $1400?! We should just deal amongst ourselves! God I hate GC! Much Love,TG

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

tokaiguy · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject:

The TRC, the cream plastic, the fact that there is no wood where the rod comes out of the neck, no seriel #, the photo flame top...Don't get me wrong, if you like it fine! Just know you got taken! There are many fine Korean guitars I have a Korean made SG that I prefer to my MIJ. You shouldn't be dealing with the uncertanty, the intonation problems ,dead spots on a new instrument that you paid good money for! He sold you on the fact that it is something it isn't, if your'e OK with that ...then so am I But I don't think you sound satisfied with the end product.

TG

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

tokaiguy · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject:

You have not been dealt with in a way that you feel confident, it is your right to feel great about this purchase! All I'm saying is If you have any misgivings they are probably Right! Trust Yourself, you deserve peace of mind!

I'm just a Texas Boy and I like a fair deal , a win/win... but I don't take any Bullsh*t. Good Luck , I hope this all works out!

TG

larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Thanks. By the way, the seller corrected his model numbering to RLG-55F(s?)... (after I asked if not LPS actually is a Tokai way of numbering).

20 century boy · Guitar God Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 1091 Location: Paris

I might tend to think the same way tokaiguy do...

If you arrive to the conclusion that it's not a MIJ, You should claim for money back.
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larseko · Power chords are my friend Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 31

Just for the records, it's not photoflames.