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Is the holy grail realy the best?
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Mick51
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threads like this are why I hang around here. Nobody gets flamed, no name calling. Responsible, thoughtfully expressed. We can differ with each other, but respect the various points of view.

Well, that and Mark's surfing pics.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

like the rest of you, i to had always wanted a usa gibson les paul. when the finances became available i finally bought a beautiful looking gibson, however when it arrived i'm afraid i was not overly impressed with the sound, so i thought i would put it away in its case to gain in value over the years.
after about 8 months , in which time i had maybe tried it out 3 or 4 times, i thought i'll sell it and try a tokai.
from the ?1400 i got back, i've managed to buy a tokai ls80 (2008), a boss gt10, and another tokai st.
to say the tokai is better sound wise would be an understatement, i can now appreciate why people rave about les pauls'.
1980 reborn, will be next on the list.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the tone controls are on the tips of your fingers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a sort of minor holy grail, I guess - a '67 Fender Tele. Sure, it's post-CBS, but still, it's original, it's pushing fifty and iworth a reasonable sum of money (not as much as in '08, but hey, I'm not selling. )- I bought it in '76, I've "reliced" it the hard way and it's more of a body part than an instrument by now, I guess.

Which makes it all the harder to admit that my two recently aquired MIJ guitars, a Tokai ST-60 Springy and a Burny LP Custom (prob an RLC-60), both early '80s, are the better instruments. They're fundamentally different from the Tele, of course, but in terms of general build quality and playablity... they kill the poor old paddle. And at 30, they have their own, very tangible"vintage vibe". Amazing instruments.

So, there's no looking back, I guess, I'm officially an MIJ Guitar Enthuiast & Collector. Next up: a ES335 repro, and I'm going for the full set. But, though I'd like to own a nice Breezy Sound, I'm not sure I'd want to subject my old Fender to a direct comparison...
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A true blind LP test would be a wonderful thing. I doubt any brand would be a clear winner. And I don't think original '50s LPs would easily stand out against modern high-quality LPs (Gibson Historic, Tokai, Navigator, Heritage, etc.) using PAF clones like Bareknuckles, or Sheptones.

Acoustic tests would take the electronics out of the picture, but might not tell you the entire story.

But, as in the Stradivarius tests, I really doubt anyone would be able to pick out a couple of '50s LPs from a bunch of well made, solid LPs with one piece backs any better than you'd expect by chance.

Player needs to be blinded too of course. Changes the way you play when someone puts a '59 LP in your hands, I'm guessing.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singemonkey wrote:
A true blind LP test would be a wonderful thing. I doubt any brand would be a clear winner. And I don't think original '50s LPs would easily stand out against modern high-quality LPs (Gibson Historic, Tokai, Navigator, Heritage, etc.) using PAF clones like Bareknuckles, or Sheptones.

Acoustic tests would take the electronics out of the picture, but might not tell you the entire story.

But, as in the Stradivarius tests, I really doubt anyone would be able to pick out a couple of '50s LPs from a bunch of well made, solid LPs with one piece backs any better than you'd expect by chance.

Player needs to be blinded too of course. Changes the way you play when someone puts a '59 LP in your hands, I'm guessing.


I would like to add that the hardware makes quite a bit of difference... for instance: the standard USA Gibsons have different materials (zinc) and are mounted less direct to the wood than with the original '50s LP's... changing this to a brand like Faber increases the acoustic loudness a lot plus it changes the overall tone (softer ?nd brighter). When comparing you need to look to the whole picture.. not just wood and pickups but also electronics, hardware etc.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singemonkey wrote:
A true blind LP test would be a wonderful thing. I doubt any brand would be a clear winner. And I don't think original '50s LPs would easily stand out against modern high-quality LPs (Gibson Historic, Tokai, Navigator, Heritage, etc.) using PAF clones like Bareknuckles, or Sheptones.

Acoustic tests would take the electronics out of the picture, but might not tell you the entire story.

But, as in the Stradivarius tests, I really doubt anyone would be able to pick out a couple of '50s LPs from a bunch of well made, solid LPs with one piece backs any better than you'd expect by chance.

Player needs to be blinded too of course. Changes the way you play when someone puts a '59 LP in your hands, I'm guessing.


I'm sure there would be significant differences between different burst as well.
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