When I first started buying them ( orv/bur/grec/ ) years ago I did so as a cheap alternative to the Gibsons I had. You didn't see many of them in the US prior to ebay- about 1998. There was just Guitargai then, and his prices were laughable. We all knew people thru the forums that were in Japan or went back and forth a lot that said these guitars were as cheap and plentiful as epi's were in the states. A lot of them were banged up due to the fact that they were never sold with hard cases, and were 20 years old. Soon others began selling them on ebay. The people in the states don't realise that there were, and are, dozens of correct headstock lp's in Japan with all sorts of names on the headstock. Yet all from 2 or 3 factories. And in the 80's most had long tenons not because it was expensive, but because that's the way they were made. Being made as inexpensive copies , and not future collectables, most were mutli piece bodies and tops, and solid color paint schemes. When they did make a "flametop" it was most always a veneer. I find it interesting that 20 years later so many of these things keep showing up for sale. And in such good shape for having never been in a hard case. Yet when we look to the US, how many 20 year old bradley's, corts, epi's ,etc, do you see? Headstock decals are easy enough to find on ebay. Would you know a fake Orville or Greco ? I don't think I would ,and yet I've owned a dozen of them. I think as the prices rise you'll see more of them. Real or not.