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so why is Tokai a bigger name than Greco?
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LarryC
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: so why is Tokai a bigger name than Greco? Reply with quote

just curious as to why the Tokai brand name is so much bigger than Greco's? or is it really bigger even?
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is friday here at the office so I'll throw in my 2-yen here.

I guess because Tokai was probably the first to perfect their copies of gutars, they were both the manufactuer and seller of their guitars, and they still continue today.

As well, a lot of pros were using their guitars in the early 80's before the G and F companies got their reissues going.

Greco is a manufactured brand for sale by a trading company and had many different permutations including the new designs today. I guess they peaked from 1979-1982.

Tokai is certainly still quite big today in Japan as an alternative to US-made Gibsons and Japanese/US Fenders. As for the new Greco's, I dig the black customs but am not too taken by the look of the standard LPs.
I think they should just do a limited high-end Mint-Collection reissue series.


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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it bigger? Maybe depends who you ask, matter of opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SRV, Billy Gibbons, Joe Walsh, etc
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it bigger? Maybe depends who you ask, matter of opinion.

going by page counts on this forum...
Tokai=214 pages
Greco=31 pages
Burny=18 pages
Orville=6 pages

so yeah,I would assume Tokai is bigger,and lets not forget about Ibanez..
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarryC wrote:
Is it bigger? Maybe depends who you ask, matter of opinion.

going by page counts on this forum...
Tokai=214 pages
Greco=31 pages
Burny=18 pages
Orville=6 pages

so yeah,I would assume Tokai is bigger,and lets not forget about Ibanez..



Well, it is the Tokai Registry
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks wulfman for your reply,you pretty much answered my question..
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I prefer Tokai guitars to Greco, for the most part. Greco made some questionable choices at the lower end of their product range, whereas with Tokai even the lowest spec vintage models are worthwhile instruments.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:



Well, it is the Tokai Registry[/quote]


exactly, depends who you ask.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elliot Easton played a Greco Super Real for a while and was an endorser in one of the Greco catalogs.

Paul Stanley has used Grecos and has said that the best Strat he's ever played was a Greco.

EVH played a Ibanez Destroyer early on and it's basically the same as a Greco Destroyer as the Ibanez/Greco Destroyer was a cooperative design by Hoshino/Ibanez and Kanda Shokai/Greco.
Ace Frehley also played a Ibanez Destroyer in Japan from what I can remember.

A fair few of the well known players have played MIJ guitars starting mostly with Ibanez in the 1970s.

Tokai sold guitars overseas like Ibanez did and Kanda Shokai mainly sold Greco guitars in Japan so that's another reason why Tokai might be more well known if it is.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Stanley has used Grecos and has said that the best Strat he's ever played was a Greco.


thats pretty interesting..I'd really like to see what he has to say about it.any articles/interviews to verify this?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know he has used a Greco during the japan tour in late 70' but as far i can remember it wasn't a Stratocaster..
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokai gakki was the oldest quality brand in Japan scene. They got Martin ties back in early 70?s so it gives them a lot of credit,Tokai?s motto has a lot to resembvle with it. They were crafting more correct replicas(staring in 1.977 les Paul and Les Paul Reborn series, Breezysound and Springysound ) before Greco did (1.979-80) with Super Real series. They have a factory whereas Greco is just a brand (Tokai made some Grecos). And what I guess the main reasons for us western people: Tokai was the first having a forum and named vastly in the internet.
I would also mention UK and Asutralian importers doing a great job for promoting the instruments.OK, Gottfried did it too.

And the quality,of course......
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7051&highlight=&sid=c20fbae4420794a9de083dca27e9d15e

When asked why they never got a deal with Gibson even though the band always thanked them on albums, he replied, "...it's no secret that, back in the 70's and 80's a lot of the Japanese companies were murdering the American companies in terms of quality. God knows the Tokai Love Rock les Paul copies blew away a lot of the guitars they were emulating. And the best Start I ever owned was a Greco!. I did my first solo album on an Ibanez Les Paul."
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japanstrat wrote:

Paul Stanley has used Grecos and has said that the best Strat he's ever played was a Greco.



That's hilarious!!. "Played".....'he can't 'play' so what kind of endorsement is that??
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