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Fujigen Orville pickups

 
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Washington Irving
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Fujigen Orville pickups Reply with quote

Hi!
I have recently bought a Fujigen made Orville (not ObG), 1994, Standard plaintop. It's currently on it's way to me from Japan (sea shipping - it was a month already, and there's probably still another month to go; the wait is horrible!) I haven't found much here about orville pickups (apart from one thread from 2008, but it wasn't very specific).

i have a photo from the seller: http://imageevent.com/chingo123/june2010/orvillelpssb5297?p=33&b=-1&m=-1&c=4&w=4&s=1&n=1&l=0&z=3

Do you have any info on these pickups? What are they, or how they sound?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine came with Duncan 59 in the neck & Duncan JB in the bridge
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not the best. I've replaced all the wiring and pickps in my 97 Orville. Big improvement.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did the wiring also made the sound lousy, or was it just the pickups? Did you replace the pots too?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Washington Irving wrote:
did the wiring also made the sound lousy, or was it just the pickups? Did you replace the pots too?


First I replaced the pickups....BB Pro in the bridge and a 57 Classic in the neck, then came the new wiring...everything replaced and of course Orange caps I really like it now.

I didn't find the stock wiring and pickups so bad that I had to change it, but I wanted to see how much better it could be.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find there is a lot of misinformation regarding these regular orville pickups... just because the obg had american pickups, doesn't make them necessarily better.

The 1994 orville SG that I have is all original, and that guitar has some of the most authentic sounding paf type pickups, I've ever heard in any guitar. They have midrange dip and hollowness to the sound that is hard to duplicate. Truely good sounding pickups.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruno wrote:
I find there is a lot of misinformation regarding these regular orville pickups... just because the obg had american pickups, doesn't make them necessarily better.

The 1994 orville SG that I have is all original, and that guitar has some of the most authentic sounding paf type pickups, I've ever heard in any guitar. They have midrange dip and hollowness to the sound that is hard to duplicate. Truely good sounding pickups.


Are they the standard GOTOH's or the Gibson 490's?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they look like gotohs to me
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on. The general consensus on those pickups is that they are not very good. I don't believe they are bad as such, but the guitar can be improved by new electronics. That being said, if the player likes the sound then that is all that counts....
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the general consensus has been made by people who are not willing to tak the time to try the original pickups properly and are too quick to change them for "something better" because they heard on the internet, that all the hardware and electronics on their orville (not by gibson) models would be crap.

And the truth is that in many cases that is simply not true.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the general consensus has been made by people who are not willing to tak the time to try the original pickups properly and are too quick to change them for "something better" because they heard on the internet, that all the hardware and electronics on their orville (not by gibson) models would be crap.

And the truth is that in many cases that is simply not true.


+1

Seems that since the net took off there are all these armchair pickup (and other gear experts) coming out of the woodwork everywhere.

Compulsive pickup changers are everywhere it seems.

Over at the Seymour Duncan forums most of them can't wait to change their pickups and so called armchair experts will advise you on the exact pickup for you even though they do not have your tastes or know in advance how the pickup will combine with your guitar and your gear.

What a lot of BS.

I'm not against changing pickups or pickup magnets as I have done it many times but changing pickups only does a certain amount to the tone and it might end up as good or bad depending on the players taste and the gear they use because the amp and effects are also in the tone and the pickups just combine with the body wood and transfer the signal to the amp.

Try a different amp with the same pickup/guitar and it's a different tone.

Treating just the pickups as if they are responsible for most of the tone like the dorks at the Seymour Duncan forums seem to do is absolute BS, it's how the pickups combine with the guitar and effects and amp and speakers that results in the final tone that is judged by the players taste which varies.

Really badly made pickups are pretty rare but do exist and current pickups from Korea and China are pretty good in general.

Some pretty good pickup info is in this link http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lemme/

There was a time back in the 70s when most players did not do anything to the pickups but just used stock pickups and that was during the peak of Rock as far as I'm concerned.

I bought a Ibanez LP in the 70s and I did not rush home and change the pickups, I just played it through a Marshall and it sounded pretty good to me.
Same goes for the first Fender I bought in the 70s, I did not rush home and change the pickups, I just played the club circuit with it the way it was, stock.

The Orville pickups are around 7k-7.5k ceramic magnet pickups so are sort of a PAF wind with a ceramic magnet.

I thought my Terada Orville pickups in my SG were not bad at all combined with certain amps that I have, ended up sounding a bit PAF like to me, if that makes any sense to someone.

I also happen to like the way my DiMarzio pickup ends up sounding in in my Orville SG with certain amps so now I have the Orville pickup in another guitar and it seems to suit it and I have the DiMarzio in my Orville SG, but really I could play quite happily just using the stock Orville pickup in my Orville SG.

I also put a Alnico 5 magnet in one of my Orville pickups and it turned out pretty well but the stock ceramic is pretty good as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got my 97 Orville Custom, I though the pickups sounded ok, not great but just ok. I swapped the bridge pickup for a BB Pro which really brought the guitar to life, IMHO. I left the neck pickup stock because I really liked the sound of it. I then got an ObG RI and discovered how nice the 57's sounded to me, so then I changed the neck pickup to a 57. Wiring and such were all changed over eventually. It's all really about personal taste. I tweeked and changed and picked away at mine until I got the sound that I wanted....then sold it....lol.
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