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Loose fitting tune-o-matic?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:
My comments are not intended to offend or tell someone what they should do with their guitars.
The word "don't" was obviously the wrong word to use.
I was under the impression that the point of a forum was to reply to another's question with an opinion that may or may not be considered by the author of the original post.
After 20+ years of repairs and set-ups for other guitarists I thought I'd share some of the knowledge I've acquired.
Some may agree with me, some not. Just because a guitar legend does something ,is it right ???
Obviously right for them but not for another (Fender or Gibson, USA or MIJ, 9's against 10's or 11's) ?
It's up to the individual to make the choice.
Anyway, my apologies if I have offended anyone on the forum with my opinions, that was not my intention ,only to help.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: Loose fitting tune-o-matic? Reply with quote

Random Gecko wrote:
Hey guys

So the tune-o-matic on my LS85F is a bit loose fitting. I have the guitar top wrapped but it seems like sometimes when I bend, I can hear the tune-o-matic slightly moving on it's posts. I loosened the strings to see what was going on and it's not really the snuggest fit on the posts so I guess this is it.

Any fix for this or is it something you gotta live with? Any aftermarket units of better fit or would I need to replace the entire assembly, including the posts?


I just restrung my tune-o-matic equipped guitar and put about 2 wraps worth of adhesive copper shielding tape around the posts that the bridge sits on.

Works great and fits snug enough that there is just enough grip to keep the bridge from falling off during string changes. Not to mention my action adjustments wont get messed. No negative changes to tone either.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:
...Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.


The benefits are pretty obvious, but those same benefits can almost be achieved without top wrapping, just by raising the tail piece up on its studs.

However there are examples of the studs bending (metal 'aint what it used to be) when set up too high. Therefore put the tail piece flat to the body and top wrap the strings. Sure the angle will probably be slightly more shallow than using the other method, and the tail piece will be worn where the strings wrap round it (some might even view this wear as desirable), but it works.

Of course the difference in tone and feel might not be universally liked.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVsearch wrote:
N.E 7ok'll Do wrote:
...Oh yeah STOP top wrapping ,it has no benefits.


The benefits are pretty obvious, but those same benefits can almost be achieved without top wrapping, just by raising the tail piece up on its studs.

However there are examples of the studs bending (metal 'aint what it used to be) when set up too high. Therefore put the tail piece flat to the body and top wrap the strings. Sure the angle will probably be slightly more shallow than using the other method, and the tail piece will be worn where the strings wrap round it (some might even view this wear as desirable), but it works.

Of course the difference in tone and feel might not be universally liked.


Exactly correct. If you string thru the tailpiece, you do not want to crank it all the way down on the body.... remember they say that the proper string angle on the saddles allows you to slip a piece of paper between the strings and the edge of the bridge frame.... you don't want the strings resting on the bridge frame by having the tail piece too low.

With a wrapped tailpiece, even when cranked all the way down, the string angle allows for more than a paper thickness clearance between the strings and bridge frame - which probably is an attribute to the additional slinkiness of the string tension when bending notes. By raising the tailpiece height and lessening the angle when stringing thru the tailpiece, you achieve the same effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
If you string thru the tailpiece, you do not want to crank it all the way down on the body...


Yeah, I've always found that to be a real tone killer.

And letting the strings touch the bridge frame will be even worse.
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