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Orville Les Paul - Collectors nightmare, players dream?
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Freebird
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Orville Les Paul - Collectors nightmare, players dream? Reply with quote

What the heck is this? Please tell me Orville did not use all these pieces of wood for body and headstock. Is this a FakeOrville?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Orville-Gibson-Les-Paul-Custom-MI-Japan-Pro-Upgrade-/160481804338?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item255d760032
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beleive the owner/seller is a member over at MLP
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A refin maybe? And what's up w/the back of the headstock?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scooticus wrote:
A refin maybe? And what's up w/the back of the headstock?


Its a stripped Custom.
Its not the first time I see that kind of seam on a stripped LP from Japan.
A product cost cutter!

Multi piece body and top is also rather common.
Multi piece tops where common on LP from the 50's too (solid colours of course).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comes with a 12 piece non-bookmatched maple top...
Must have been a goldtop before !
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's why I was always reluctant towards non-transparent coloured guitars...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Washington Irving wrote:
that's why I was always reluctant towards non-transparent coloured guitars...


Good advice it seems
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi
look at that head ,,,, it look like the head it is glued on ???????????????
if you look at the pictures of the head from behind
never seen a orville like that
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

muccax wrote:
hi
look at that head ,,,, it look like the head it is glued on ???????????????
if you look at the pictures of the head from behind
never seen a orville like that
all the best
otto


That is how cheaper guitars are built if they have an angled head.
If you look at for example Fernandes or Ibanez you can see that the neck is two piece with the seem around 3rd fret.

Budget budget budget! Of course easy on solid colour guitars cause then it is hidden. I have seen it on Orville, Orville by Gibson, Greco, Burny and plenty of Korean and Chinese axes. So far I have never seen a solid colour Japanese Tokai Stripped so I don't know about them. But the others used this little "trick" at least a couple of times.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:34 am    Post subject: Orville Les Paul - Collectors nightmare, players dream? Reply with quote

Hi Freebird,

When a guitar is modified it is always difficult to say how it once would have been.

The only thing I can say is that I can vouch for the seller. I have bought an Orville from him about 3 years ago, it was perfect, better than he described (the guitar was absolutely mint!).

More recently I bought his ObG ES335, also a mint guitar.

I bought this outside ebay, made a Pds. 500 deposit to reserve the guitar (because I only wanted it a couple of months later) and then made the rest payment. All via banktransfer. No issues whatsoever. Nick is a guy that only picks up guitars that are worth while.. He will never sell fake or crap guitars. So, he is a seller you can definitely trust.

Hope this is of use to you or any other person interested in this guitar.

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's all fine and dandy but him thinking it's worth 900+ US is really kind of a joke. Refinish should lower the value not raise it...I don't care if it's oil. by Gibson models can be had at that price range.

If he gets it then more power too him, but who ever buys it is getting ripped off.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soundcreation wrote:
That's all fine and dandy but him thinking it's worth 900+ US is really kind of a joke. Refinish should lower the value not raise it...I don't care if it's oil. by Gibson models can be had at that price range.

If he gets it then more power too him, but who ever buys it is getting ripped off.


Sorry Soundcreation, but you probably haven't looked at prices levels lately... Please inform me of ANY ObG's without scractches and dings for $900+ and I will buy them all!! A person that buys this guitar certainly does not get ripped off especially not with the better harware on it.

Apart from the look that you like or not, bet you that this is a really nice playing and sounding guitar and is that not what it is all about??
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all likelihood this was a k-serial Orville that has had the sticker removed. Way overpriced for what it is, IMHO. Lazy MIJ fans may get a kick out of the oil finish but anyone even marginally informed will look elsewhere for a better deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joop wrote:
soundcreation wrote:
That's all fine and dandy but him thinking it's worth 900+ US is really kind of a joke. Refinish should lower the value not raise it...I don't care if it's oil. by Gibson models can be had at that price range.

If he gets it then more power too him, but who ever buys it is getting ripped off.


Sorry Soundcreation, but you probably haven't looked at prices levels lately... Please inform me of ANY ObG's without scractches and dings for $900+ and I will buy them all!! A person that buys this guitar certainly does not get ripped off especially not with the better harware on it.

Apart from the look that you like or not, bet you that this is a really nice playing and sounding guitar and is that not what it is all about??


The point is that someone looking for an ObG is not getting a bargain by buying this guitar, because it must be one of the worst examples out there from a collectable point of view due to the re-finish and the multi piece body and top.

It's value as a an ObG LP really is unknown, and it should be a $1 auction, so the market can decide, IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sold on Yahoo about 1.5 months ago for a 1/3 of his asking price too lol
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