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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: is it me or does this not make anyone else silightly sick? Reply with quote

just trawling through the net, and i saw this

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-Custom/Collectors-Choice-1-1959-Les-Paul-Standard.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfMzhshmFKc&feature=related

notice the complete lack of a mention of Peter Green on Gibsons part? Im guessing he wanted nothing to do with it, but to mention Gary Moore over Greeny?? Doesnt sit well with me
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Still Defying Logic Reply with quote

What suprises me more is that Gibson is still in business. There are only so many ways that you can reinvent the 1959 Les Paul, ten years down the line and they will still be coming out with the same 57/59 look alikes and digging there own graves.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting for the 70's reissues: Les Paul Firewood!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least Gibson are copying their own guitars.
The Japanese copy must be even more pathetic according to your thinking.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly not or we would not buy them!

Huge thumbs up for the Japan manufacturers.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Gibson announced to offer the Jimi Hendrix STRAT,I know that nothing is impossible or too rediculous for this company...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koubayashi wrote:
At least Gibson are copying their own guitars.
The Japanese copy must be even more pathetic according to your thinking.




I know it's hard for people here to accept, but Gibson created the Les Paul, deal with it.
And no, it wasn't friggin' Les Paul who created it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Still Defying Logic Reply with quote

andyp81 wrote:
What suprises me more is that Gibson is still in business. There are only so many ways that you can reinvent the 1959 Les Paul, ten years down the line and they will still be coming out with the same 57/59 look alikes and digging there own graves.


Funnily enough, most guitarists wont buy anything that doesn't look like a 59 Les Paul or a 50s/60s Strat or Tele, so I guess this is why these models continue to be made...

Compared to all the dumbass lifestyle tatt that Gibson now sells (MP3 players, memory sticks etc) continually reproducing their 59 LP seems much closer to their core business, and in fact, is exactly what they should be doing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

t.olsen wrote:
Since Gibson announced to offer the Jimi Hendrix STRAT,I know that nothing is impossible or too rediculous for this company...


Guess where the Gibson Hendrix strat is for sale......Beijing!
They must have had a bunch made and ready to go when they pulled the plug on it. They are really crappy guitars, there are three packages they sell in the "Experience Hendrix" box. I thought about buying one for the hell of it but they were so cheap feeling that I couldn't bring myself to do it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wulfman wrote:
t.olsen wrote:
Since Gibson announced to offer the Jimi Hendrix STRAT,I know that nothing is impossible or too rediculous for this company...


Guess where the Gibson Hendrix strat is for sale......Beijing!
They must have had a bunch made and ready to go when they pulled the plug on it. They are really crappy guitars, there are three packages they sell in the "Experience Hendrix" box. I thought about buying one for the hell of it but they were so cheap feeling that I couldn't bring myself to do it.


They must be cheap versions of what was going to be the Jimi Strat, because the original plan (and some were built in the US Custom Shop) was for quite an expensive "proper" Strat albeit with a different headstock shape. The whole idea was terrible, but in keeping with the management's desire to make Gibson into a lifestyle company.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The customshop is the only thing that maintains Gibson's credibility - even if they are overpriced. They're still dynamite guitars.

But they're clearly not prepared to be a guitar company anymore. They fail to come up with new guitars. What was the last one? The nighthawk? Not a great guitar, ok, but at least it was an original design.

I'm sure they could get together a bunch of young designers and a bunch of young guitar makers, have them study the guitars of the Mcarty era with this brief, "They must be all new guitar designs, but follow the design principles of these '50s and '60s guitars."

I'm sure they could come up with something that would knock peoples' socks off.

But no. Dusk Tiger. 'Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well ther's an easy way to improve things...let PRS take over the company.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow i cant believe that Gibson Stratocaster. Sounds pretty desperate on Gibsons part. The Hendrix name is obviously a huge cash cow. Both parties have extremely famous name sake users. I mean im guessing most guitarists when Hendrix is mentioned in terms of gear etc. Would think of Marshall, Fender, Uni-vibe, Flying V, Fuzz face, octavia, wah- wah the usual.

Trouble is a lot of companies basically trade off of heritage. It would be fantastic if Gibson/Fender etc dared to try something new that wasnt naff. IE awful robot modelling guitars. Like the other poster said, just the build quality of late 50s guitars, but with new advances. Maybe something geared towards resonant chambers. but i think other companies maybe fill this void anyway??

Anyway im going off subject slightly. Its the fact that the guitar is blatantly based on Peter Greens famous Les Paul. And because Gibson have been desperate to do a signature greeny for a while. And Greeny has said no to it, they've now named the guitar after its latest owner!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrJzT wrote:
And because Gibson have been desperate to do a signature greeny for a while. And Greeny has said no to it, they've now named the guitar after its latest owner!


Latest owner?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the Melvyn Franks guy is the collector who now owns the guitar after Gary Moore sold it to him. So yes Melvyn Franks gets a signature guitar but Peter Green doesnt. Gary moores people by all accounts only found out about it at the 11th hour. So thats why you have the Gary Moore signature.

My personal thoughts are, if Greeny said no to Gibson, then they should have respected his decision. I mean the guys been through a lot, and i think the les paul for him was a bit of sore point. It may bring back painful memories for the guy.
But i guess they want to make as much money as possible. But still its a bit wrong really, can you imagine if Fender had done the same thing with say Lenny without the Vaughan familys consent?
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