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stratman323 said:
mick55 said:
RIP Joe guy :wink:

Joe is not dead. :wink: He says "hi" to all "the good guys" on the forum.

You know who you are. And you know who you are not....... :-?




Mike, where is Joe? seen him here lately? his name popped up in this thread three times already :lol:

I read Joe was kicked off the 'other' forum by Oz himself, back in March, for posting gay porn, LOL
http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/from-joe-t246.html
seems that Oz was pretty upset with Joe; oh well, nothing new I suppose :roll: .................................

odd how Joe's name keeps popping up here, six months after Ned asked us to, "move on" .............
 
:wink: Hello everybody, Mick55 is here again. This person "MIJ" keeps insisting that I am actually that Joe guy, even I told him I am not. I am just Mick from Tijuana, Mexico. a hotel singer/guitarist. I came here to talk about the guitars but since this doubt might cause some trouble anytime, I should really leave here soon. This "MIJ" is crazy I guess......I received an invitation from some hotel in Las Vegas last night so I am going to there soon. My band will do "The Fiesta La Bamba Show" for them. This show is gonna be fantastic so come see us everyone. you are so welcome! Anyway sorry. I apologize. About that Joe guy I still remember some. That porno pic was only his comedy and he was saying so then. And I think another TF asked him to come back after. They are always good friends I guess. I read this story somewhere on the Telecaster Forum I think. He is a member there sometimes. ok good guys, Take care well and good bye!

:D Mick Taqoz.
 
stratman323 said:
The guy buys at one price & sells at another price. It's called capitalism. And this is, by no means, an example of capitalism at it's worst.

Yeah, I don't know how this works in other capitalistic countries but in Holland there's a law that forbids selling something that's not yours..
 
jacco said:
stratman323 said:
The guy buys at one price & sells at another price. It's called capitalism. And this is, by no means, an example of capitalism at it's worst.

Yeah, I don't know how this works in other capitalistic countries but in Holland there's a law that forbids selling something that's not yours..

If he's selling them with the knowledge of the Japanese stores, then I don't have a problem with that.

If they don't know about it, then that's a bit dodgy.
 
MIJvintage said:
Mike, where is Joe? seen him here lately? his name popped up in this thread three times already :lol:

I read Joe was kicked off the 'other' forum by Oz himself, back in March, for posting gay porn, LOL
http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/from-joe-t246.html
seems that Oz was pretty upset with Joe; oh well, nothing new I suppose :roll: .................................

odd how Joe's name keeps popping up here, six months after Ned asked us to, "move on" .............

Yes I've heard from Joe, not on here though. If he's a member on here, he hasn't told me about it. Unlike you, I won't be losing any sleep over it if he's back or if he's not.

Ned asked us to "move on" with the forum after he banned Joe. We've all done that. However, Ned did not ban us from mentioning Joe's name. Nor did he ban Joe from sending or receiving e.mails from forum members. Or us receiving Tokai catalogues from him - he's always been helpful like that.

If he likes you. :wink:

As for Ozeshin banning Joe from "the other forum", that is also true, & I also respect Oz's right to do this. However, to claim that what he posted (which I thought was funny, though you wouldn't necessarily agree :lol: ) was "gay porn" was over-stating the case more than a little bit, & I said this on "the other forum".

Quite why I'm explaining all this to you I don't know! And quite why you get so worried about the legend that is TJ, I really don't know. I reckon you secretly like him, don't you? :wink:
 
mick55 said:
This "MIJ" is crazy I guess.......

In the words of Britain's most famous (fictional) Prime Minister, Francis Urquhart...

"You might well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment." :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk&feature=related
 
stratman323 said:
MIJvintage said:
Mike, where is Joe? seen him here lately? his name popped up in this thread three times already :lol:

I read Joe was kicked off the 'other' forum by Oz himself, back in March, for posting gay porn, LOL
http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/from-joe-t246.html
seems that Oz was pretty upset with Joe; oh well, nothing new I suppose :roll: .................................

odd how Joe's name keeps popping up here, six months after Ned asked us to, "move on" .............

Yes I've heard from Joe, not on here though. If he's a member on here, he hasn't told me about it. Unlike you, I won't be losing any sleep over it if he's back or if he's not.

Ned asked us to "move on" with the forum after he banned Joe. We've all done that. However, Ned did not ban us from mentioning Joe's name. Nor did he ban Joe from sending or receiving e.mails from forum members. Or us receiving Tokai catalogues from him - he's always been helpful like that.

If he likes you. :wink:

As for Ozeshin banning Joe from "the other forum", that is also true, & I also respect Oz's right to do this. However, to claim that what he posted (which I thought was funny, though you wouldn't necessarily agree :lol: ) was "gay porn" was over-stating the case more than a little bit, & I said this on "the other forum".

Quite why I'm explaining all this to you I don't know! And quite why you get so worried about the legend that is TJ, I really don't know. I reckon you secretly like him, don't you? :wink:


LOL, the continual mention of a previous/former/banned member by a very small (<4) contigent of members, isn't causing me to lose any sleep :lol:

I'm glad you're staying in touch with Joe; good for you. Enjoy those crispy, new catalogs, I mean trinkets.

AFA Joe getting banned over at the 'other' forum, I was just repeating what was stated in the thread, by Oz, and by others.
If that info is wrong, then they are wrong, because they are the ones that stated it.

You don't need to explain anything to me, and I didn't ask for it :wink:
Not worried in the least.

I was here to talk guitars, and to make contributions of knowledge & of experience, not to talk about old news :wink: but that doesn't seem to be too popular any longer, as playing wierd little games seems to have taken over here ................... too bad ..............
 
mick55 said:
:wink: Hello everybody, Mick55 is here again. This person "MIJ" keeps insisting that I am actually that Joe guy, even I told him I am not. I am just Mick from Tijuana, Mexico. a hotel singer/guitarist. I came here to talk about the guitars but since this doubt might cause some trouble anytime, I should really leave here soon. This "MIJ" is crazy I guess......I received an invitation from some hotel in Las Vegas last night so I am going to there soon. My band will do "The Fiesta La Bamba Show" for them. This show is gonna be fantastic so come see us everyone. you are so welcome! Anyway sorry. I apologize. About that Joe guy I still remember some. That porno pic was only his comedy and he was saying so then. And I think another TF asked him to come back after. They are always good friends I guess. I read this story somewhere on the Telecaster Forum I think. He is a member there sometimes. ok good guys, Take care well and good bye!

:D Mick Taqoz.


Please don't leave on my account, as I haven't asked you to leave, it isn't my business to ask anyone to leave, and I would never do that :D

I think you're taking this all too hard Mick :wink:

No, I'm not crazy but I also am not stupid :)

You really don't need to go to Las Vegas; I heard they don't have any internet access there, just like in Yonaguni :lol:

Just stick around & I'm sure you'll fit in nicely :p ..... maybe post some porn, like at the 'other' forum :) ............

http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/mick55-from-mexico-c-mon-joe-t258.html

http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/from-joe-t246.html

:wink:
 
Everywhere there will be someone/some trying to capitalize and accumulate on peoples lack of knowledge.

The most powerful tool is people's "unawareness".
Especially if you manage to sweet talk them :D

A lot of people up here mail me with questions like "is this a reasonable price for this Greco". I normally tell them that if its a good guitar the price is not the prime worry but when taking into consideration that the Greco cost 250? in Japan and now suddenly 1000? you might want to try to get one elsewhere.
And I introduce them to the auction sites if they want to try elsewhere.

Trying to make money selling used things are pretty darn stupid 2010 :D
 
Koubayashi said:
Everywhere there will be someone/some trying to capitalize and accumulate on peoples lack of knowledge.

The most powerful tool is people's "unawareness".
Especially if you manage to sweet talk them :D

A lot of people up here mail me with questions like "is this a reasonable price for this Greco". I normally tell them that if its a good guitar the price is not the prime worry but when taking into consideration that the Greco cost 250? in Japan and now suddenly 1000? you might want to try to get one elsewhere.
And I introduce them to the auction sites if they want to try elsewhere.

Trying to make money selling used things are pretty darn stupid 2010 :D



8) so true! dont be fooled by bad dealers everyone!
 
Koubayashi said:
Trying to make money selling used things are pretty darn stupid 2010 :D

Although it is now more important than ever that we re-use items rather than throwing them away, as we we will hit max garbage on the planet at some point.
Sure, who gives a ****, it's not my problem... well, if you have kids then you should be doing whatever you can.

Watch out for the capitalist wet dream where all consumers are buying a new thing every f*ckin' day!
That is, protest to manufacturers when goods are of such low quality that they only last a few months, send them back, demand refunds, it's the only bit of power we have left!

Back to guitars though :lol:
I would have thought that good quality guitars are ideal for selling as used items?
And don't forget, the existence of a market for used items allows there to be a healthy market for new items.
 
JVsearch said:
Koubayashi said:
Trying to make money selling used things are pretty darn stupid 2010 :D

Although it is now more important than ever that we re-use items rather than throwing them away, as we we will hit max garbage on the planet at some point.
Sure, who gives a ****, it's not my problem... well, if you have kids then you should be doing whatever you can.

Watch out for the capitalist wet dream where all consumers are buying a new thing every f*ckin' day!
That is, protest to manufacturers when goods are of such low quality that they only last a few months, send them back, demand refunds, it's the only bit of power we have left!

Back to guitars though :lol:
I would have thought that good quality guitars are ideal for selling as used items?
And don't forget, the existence of a market for used items allows there to be a healthy market for new items.

You misunderstood my point (well, I wasn't very clear).
I mean that it is not very bright to try to sell used guitars when there are a billion zillion sale sites, forums etc on internet. Go to a shop, find a Greco xxx-model and check the price....the same guitar will be much cheaper to buy from Rinkya. Where would you buy it if the shop is about 50-100% more expensive?

That was my intended point :D
 
Koubayashi said:
You misunderstood my point (well, I wasn't very clear).
I mean that it is not very bright to try to sell used guitars when there are a billion zillion sale sites, forums etc on internet. Go to a shop, find a Greco xxx-model and check the price....the same guitar will be much cheaper to buy from Rinkya. Where would you buy it if the shop is about 50-100% more expensive?

That was my intended point :D

A-HA!!! Light bulb has been switched on (fairly dim one) :oops: :lol:

I get it now, but I would add that I would pay 20% more in a shop where I could play the guitar first as opposed to a virtual shop. When it comes to Rinkya, that's fine because it is very cheap, so you wont suffer all that much if something goes wrong (and it does from time to time).
 
depends what guitars you are selling, (or buying) i sell used guitars and i consider myself to be very bright :D :D

the ebay sellers seem quite happy to continue their business, so unless everybody selling used guitars is losing money and ''not very bright'' (which I doubt), then you are wrong... buying something cheaper with no security of return, no guarantee, and from a faceless seller on yahoo japan, via rinkya, is not the preferred choice for everybody, some people prefer to pay a higher price and know that they have the security of a trusted seller, and the opportunity to exchange the guitar if it does not suit them.

price is not the only factor involved
 
I wasn't saying the sellers were dim, I meant I was! Chingo, for example has plenty of stuff at good prices, but the higher priced listings tend to hang around for quite a while. It's always like this for a while when markets re-adjust, some people keep on operating like nothing has changed.

Price is not the only factor, you're right, and at the collector level that's fine to pay for all the other benefits of that type of transaction.

Buying middle of the range or low model axes at more than the new price of current higher models is not smart. That is for collectors mainly, players have better choices IMO. Heck, some of the prices have reached the level where you can buy an old LS-50, or a current LS-160 for the same or less money.

Some of the fun of MIJ guitars was that you could pick up something for not that much money and it would be pretty decent, and you can still do that if you persevere.

We're mainly talking about risking 30 to 50k yen on something for the use of players, most of whom have FA money.
 
in my experience there are not very many ''pure collecters'' most people who buy guitars play them, and I was actually referring to the post previous to yours :D

some players have more money than others and they are the ones who buy the higher spec models, when you are spending that kind of money its nice to have reassurance, many people are still buying new historics at 3000+ so even the highest priced MiJ are in my opinion under priced, there are a very limited amount of higher spec old MIJ available, and they are getting rarer and rarer..

I have a vast collection of guitars, but I play around 10 hours a week, and gig regularly, I class myself as a player of guitars, and also a collector, the 2 things are not separate..

it always amuses me that the ''players'' want to distance themselves from the ''collectors'', I mean, look at any great guitarist, they usually have an amazing collection of guitars, but are they collectors? or players? or both...
 
I was trying to say that somebody buying a guitar simply to play need not bother with expensive vintage or rare guitars. The only reason to pay the premium prices to get rare and vintage guitars is because you want it for some other reasons not just for playing. Those reasons are more to do with the collectable aspects than anything, with rarity being the most valuable aspect IMO. So in that way the aspects of the guitar are indeed separate things, given that you could buy a newer guitar that would do everything the vintage one would do, and quite possibly, do it better.

If you have the disposable income then you can buy whatever you want and price really isn't a concern. I would put the well known great guitar players in this category, I mean they were given more guitars than they could possibly use, in addition to whatever they bought themselves. But if you're not in a position to have several to hundreds of thousand to drop on a guitar then you're probably out of the vintage and rare market, end of story. However, the thing is, you're not missing much by buying newer guitars if you're just a player! If you're that player who desires to own a vintage or rare guitar in the future then you need to earn a lot more dough.

Have you ever played a Fender Nocaster Relic? I'll only say I tried to get the guy to sell it to me there and then, because I don't want the prices getting jacked up!

$500k for a 59 Burst, everybody knows they are not worth anything like that amount in playability or tone. So what is it that makes up the rest of the price? Rarity would be the top attribute, and the rest is made up of marketing, hype, snake oil and the fact that now, only people who have a lot of money buy them (ie there is more $ available for the prices to expand out)! :lol:
 
leaving out the 500k bursts, i think theres a great choice for players of all levels between 500 and 3000 euros, it just depends what you can afford.. i would always spend as much as i can afford on a better instrument for playing, and the higher priced guitars are generally better guitars in my experience, (over 1500 vintage MIJ and counting)
 
Havib said:
Koubayashi said:
Everywhere there will be someone/some trying to capitalize and accumulate on peoples lack of knowledge.

The most powerful tool is people's "unawareness".
Especially if you manage to sweet talk them :D

A lot of people up here mail me with questions like "is this a reasonable price for this Greco". I normally tell them that if its a good guitar the price is not the prime worry but when taking into consideration that the Greco cost 250? in Japan and now suddenly 1000? you might want to try to get one elsewhere.
And I introduce them to the auction sites if they want to try elsewhere.

Trying to make money selling used things are pretty darn stupid 2010 :D



8) so true! dont be fooled by bad dealers everyone!

8) good discussion this thread!
 
villager said:
leaving out the 500k bursts, i think theres a great choice for players of all levels between 500 and 3000 euros, it just depends what you can afford.. i would always spend as much as i can afford on a better instrument for playing, and the higher priced guitars are generally better guitars in my experience, (over 1500 vintage MIJ and counting)

We are on pair here.

The EGF1800 I am going to sell as soon as I can let go of it is one of the best Les pauls I ever played. No 1200 I have ever tried is even close. The **** laminate is choking the tone :D
 

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