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sg-175 vs gibson sg standard or 61 reissue
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HowardMusic
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: sg-175 vs gibson sg standard or 61 reissue Reply with quote

new to the forum and probably know the answer i'll get on this forum, but has anybody actually gone through the process of comparing these - they are all around the same price point here in japan. i've played the gib sg standard and 61 reissue, and actually liked the standard better - i think i like the fatter neck on the standard. i'm going to go play some sg175's this weekend, but just thought i'd throw this question out to the forum.

fwiw, i have a tj78 now and put a lollar p90 in it, and the feel and sound of the tj78 is a lot better than the japan-only gibson junior double cutaway that came out this year - i wonder if i should expect the same result between the sg175 and the gibsons. thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean this SG185?

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/tokaigakki/products/premium/sg185.html
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expect the same results every time you put the G up against the T.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibson is good too mostly? They are just too expensive and sloppy often? I like both, Gibson and Tokai. Wanna have both really someday. Only a Tokai strat and Greco Les Paul right now. My Japanese guitars. Fender Mexico is ok too, right?
Hope so really.....Mick
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are very lucky and find a great Gibson (apparently there are some!) then the Tokai will beat it, hands down! One Saturday n my local guitar shop I played 5 new Gibson LP Standards and three new LS-85's all the Tokais were better playing guitars than all the Gibsons, and half the price too!

Unless you are really bothered about a 1-piece body & nitro get the SG-85 (or whatever it's called these days) it'll play and sound better than the Gibson and you'll save enough for another guitar too!
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well had a chance to play a couple of sg-175's today - they still have a few floating around before the 185's come out (and with a 10,000 yen uplift on price). one, i hate to say was not that great, but the second was really great. also played a 61 RI which was surprisingly good and a used VOS standard that was also good. the price difference between the 175 and 61RI is not that big, about 10,000 yen more for the gibson, and the used VOS is 70,000 yen more. so still trying to decide - they are all really nice playing and good sounding guitars.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great HowardMusic, some actual hands on comparisons instead of the usual story of people just saying Gibson are always shite. They're not. Overpriced? Sure.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decisions decisions!! Definitely best that you've played them all first, make sure you let us know which one you buy
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVsearch wrote:
That's great HowardMusic, some actual hands on comparisons instead of the usual story of people just saying Gibson are always shite. They're not. Overpriced? Sure.


Take an LS92 with MK2 pickups, play it alongside a Gibson Les Paul Standard...same thing, the LS92 is a third of the price.
Now examine both guitars carefully, check the finish, the wood, etc, etc...the Tokai wins.

A PRS endorsed guitarist down here in SA played an LS92 and an LS160...he preferred the LS92.

Figuring out guitarists is impossible.


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post...

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Decisions decisions!! Definitely best that you've played them all first, make sure you let us know which one you buy


It's now become a psychological decision...which one he buys is based on his personal psychology.
The next guy who walks into the same store will choose a different guitar, and his comments on all of them will be different.

I see it all day long, I laugh my ass off.
One highly qualified pro guitarist plays 5 Tokais and decides that a particular one is "the one", the choice of the bunch.
The next guy, equally "qualified" chooses a different one...both believe they bought "the one".

Another scenario I see.
Guy walks into a Music Store, they only have one Tokai left in stock, plays it for 30 minutes, pulls out his Credit Card and buys it.
Absolutely loves it, didn't need to play 5, loves the one he bought.

Or.
Play a few, one feels better than the others.
Take the others to my guitar tech, he tweaks the nut and action very slightly, the one that once felt best now doesn;t feel as good as the ones that have just been tweaked.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokai in africa now but not in india why?
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Havib wrote:
tokai in africa now but not in india why?


Because Tokai don't make cricket bats.

Thinking about it, how about a Tokai "Sashin Tendulker" signature model...they'd sell a million of them.
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone bothered to mention that the Tokai is Honduras mahogany? Spec wise that blows the Gibson out of the water,the Tokai will be better built and probably be worth more in the future. I have even had a great SG from the sixties but if i buy a new SG it would be a high end Tokai for sure.

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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned guitars that were made with Honduran, and ones that are non Hoduran, and I really cannot tell a differecne AFA tonal qualities.

I do usually notice the difference when the guitar is paid for because Honduran maho will command a premium from my wallet that non Honduran will not
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