[Review] Testing bridge humbuckers in a 1981 Love Rock LS120

hans-j?rgen · Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject:

I'm uploading another MP3 sample with the Super Distortion clone and P-94 neck in "real life", i.e. from our last gig in Nov 2005. I think it's interesting for this comparison, because I used almost the same gear (LS120 with Boogie and 1x12 EV12L plus Roland Chorus Echo), but the volume was set for a small club with a bit more gain and less presence.

Someone with a digicam recorded us and decided to switch it on during ZZ Top's Arrested For Driving While Blind a few bars before the chromatic change from G to D at the end. So there's only ~20 seconds of bridge humbucker action, and the rest is the P-94 set back to approximately 6 on the guitar volume to get a rather clear neck pickup sound. By the way, I use a "treble bleed" cap there (but not on the bridge pickup), so the highs still come through with less overall bass at that setting.

The general sound is not too brilliant because of the automatic gain of the digicam etc., so I encoded it at ~90 kbps VBR mono which resulted in ~8 MB file size (first track of a live medley). I hope it gives you an idea of how that setup sounded live though:

http://home.arcor.de/hans-juergen.bardenhagen/livemedley.mp3
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Marcus · I only know 3 chords Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 25

In this excellent thread, there are discussions of the Tokai PAF-Vintage MK2 and the Tokai '57 PAF, among others.

According to catelog info I have seen, my 1985 LC-60 came with "TOKAI '57 PAF Vintage MKII Pickups" So it kind of sounds (as far as name goes) as a cross between the above two. Would I be correct in guessing that this would be closer to the Tokai '57 PAF rather than the Tokai PAF-Vintage MK2 ?

hans-j?rgen · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

I would think so, because the PAF-Vintage MK2 (or II) is a rather new name and wasn't used in the early to mid '80s, as far as I know. Does your pickup have a black sticker with golden frame like in the picture of my LS120?
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clmazza · Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:33 am Post subject:

I just read this entire post for the second time... excellent piece Hans! Great insight and great playing!

Thanks
Chuck

Marcus · I only know 3 chords Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 25

Hans - I checked the back of the pickups, and the bridge appeared to have once had a sticker of some sort, but all that is left is a small rectangular impression on the back in the wax (?) where the sticker used to be. Seems as if it may have been removed . . . ? The neck pickup didnt have anything, but then it doesnt seem to have the wax all over the back like the bridge pickup does. Any thoughts?

hans-j?rgen · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject:

hans-j?rgen · Last edited by hans-j?rgen on Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:05 am; edited 2 times in total

Part IX: new Schaller ST6K Kluson copies for the LS120

I thought I should add this here, because I recorded two more clips of Alright Now ("Jeezz..."

) with my LS120, one with the old Schaller M6 tuners that the first owner had installed before I bought it from him in 1985, and one with the new nickel plated Schaller ST6K Kluson copies I got a few days ago from Rockinger in Germany for ? 35.00.

As a start some pictures which I found on the web, the first one is from Rockinger's site, but mine look exactly like the picture from Audiofanzine, i.e. they are a little bit "aged" to a faint green, but not as much as the greenish tuners on some of the MIK Tokai Love Rocks.

And here's how the headstock looked with the M6 installed:

So one reason for buying the Kluson copies was that those ugly screw holes in the back would be used again, although it now has the holes from the M6 tuners of course, but they don't look as mean... Furthermore I always liked Kluson tuners better than any metal types, and the double rings are a nice bonus, too. And it was important that the new Schallers were made for 10mm shafts as well, since the first owner had to manually widen the boreholes with a file.

The ST6K have a 16:1 gear ratio while the M6 use 14:1, so they offer a smoother and more controlled feeling when tuning the strings with harmonic overtones. They also feel great, not like plastic at all and as if they had been installed since 1981, i.e. with a "well-known" grip.

But the main reason for changing the tuners was that I was curious if and how their much smaller weight would influence the sound of the guitar. I needed a new set of tuners for my Luxor 335 copy anyhow, so there was no risk of wasting any money. The ST6K have a weight of 180g while the M6 weigh 260g, so that's almost 50% less which is already noticable when picking up the guitar or moving it around while holding it.

I used slightly different settings on my Boogie, because I had changed the power tubes to NOS Philips/Sylvania (blue label) in the meantime which sound fuller and smoother than the Russian 6L6 copies I used during the pickup comparison. The Thiele cab with EVM-12L speaker was connected to the "correct" 8 ohm output as well, not to the 4 ohm jack as before. Volume 1 was on 7 this time, Treble and Middle on 7, Bass on 3, Lead Drive on 6, Lead Master on ~0.8 and Presence on 4. The omnidirectional mic had the same position pointing towards the ceiling.

I didn't change anything between the two recordings, but waited one day for the guitar to recover from the total release of tension. In my experience it always takes at least a few hours for any guitar to sound similar after changing all strings etc.

A small problem occured with the recording of the new tuners, because the guitar was louder than before, so it distorted the line input channel a little bit, since the first recording was leveled with not much headroom. I decided to leave the spikes in there and not use another recording with a lower input setting, because that would alter the sound too much, and you wouldn't know what the cause for the difference was.

So here they are:

http://home.arcor.de/hans-juergen.bardenhagen/M6_alrightnow.mp3
http://home.arcor.de/hans-juergen.bardenhagen/Kluson_alrightnow.mp3

I should also mention that I played the riff a little bit different from the clips during the pickup comparison, because I use my pinky now on the 5th fret of the D string creating an g-a interval. The pickup still is the Gibson P-94 single coil at the bridge, so it might also be interesting to compare these new clips to the old one with that pickup:

http://home.arcor.de/hans-juergen.bardenhagen/p94_bridge_chords.mp3

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hans-j?rgen · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:56 am Post subject:

Recently I remixed "Set me free", a song from my second band Indigo Rocks. I added a rhythm guitar, backing vocals and a bit of slide guitar here and there, also enhanced the bass and treble sound and added reverb. It's done at home with the Audacity WAV editor, my Tokai LS120 with Gibson P-94 single coils and the Mesa Boogie Mark IIB with 1x12" EVM "Thiele" cab:

http://www.myspace.com/indigorocks
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INDIGO ROCKS "Down home rockin' blues. Tasty as strudel"

tudor · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that additional review, Hans J?rgen ...

Don't you think that the "slighly different setup" with new tubes caused the new loudness of the guitar ???

I've made the experience that a replacement of tubes make the amp sound "different" ... not the replacement of tuners ...

... or you have got a tonal change by a difference in rewinding the strings at the tuners ... did you do it in the same mannor you've used to do it all the time ???

Roger
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hans-j?rgen · Last edited by hans-j?rgen on Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:07 am; edited 1 time in total

New live videos with my LS120: "My Head's In Mississippi" and "Fool For Your Stockings" by ZZ Top and "Walking On The Moon" by The Police available on the Myspace and Facebook profiles of the Bluezz Bastardzz now:

www.myspace.com/bluezzbastardzz/videos
www.facebook.com/zztop.coverband/videos

And some new photos as well, also showing the Schaller tuners:

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Brodon · Plucker Joined: 22 Jul 2013 Posts: 4 Location: Faisalabad

Well, It is nice feeling to read this post and curious to know about your guitars. Put here lead guitars. I want to know about them then I'll buy.
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hans-j?rgen · Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:11 am Post subject:

Hi, long time no see. I just tried to restore this thread by uploading the soundfiles and images to my new homepage. I think I got the links right except for one soundfile missing, the Super Distortion clone with the bass line which disappeared from my computers somehow during the last 10 years.

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ZZee ya, Hans-Jürgen
BLUEZZ BASTARDZZ "That lil' ol' ZZ Top cover band from Hamburg"
INDIGO ROCKS "Down home rockin' blues. Tasty as strudel"