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JohnA
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
Well that's fine if you know where to get a 3 way rotary switch. But anyway that wouldn't help if I fitted one to the neck position of my Tele - nowhere to put the 3 way switch.


Yep, wouldn't work on a tele
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if every I fitted a set I wouldn't go for all the options - I's just go with two fo the options probably the P90 and humbucker.

Leaving the strat tones to a proper strat a strat!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder about this issue a lot. Diamond would have me believe that I'd be committing a mortal sin to replace any mk IIs He's got a point. The bridge pickup at least is very musical. I have no problem believing that these pickups are as good as your average Duncans or Gibsons or whatnot. They sound better than the Gibson PAF 57 reissue I have in a different guitar (which means the comparison isn't good).

But - and I say this in the spirit of speculation, not because I'm dissatisfied - what about the crazy boutique pickups? I have Lollar P-90s on my other LP, and they're some amazing pickups. But you can't compare them to hums accurately. What about say, bare knuckles? People keep saying about them, "tried everything else but these brought me to my knees..." or something like that.

Oh... Stratman323, at the risk of being a dick, I don't think it's an ancient proverb. I think Bertrand Russell said that
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singemonkey wrote:
I wonder about this issue a lot. Diamond would have me believe that I'd be committing a mortal sin to replace any mk IIs He's got a point.


I was at Andy McGibbons yesterday.
We were talking about ES335s.
He said he's only ever heard and played one better ES335 than the Tokai ES185 he now has, it was an early 60s Gibson ES335 that he had in for a refinish and repair.
That's one heck of a compliment to the MK2s.

Guitarists and their GAS is borderline insanity, they'll change anything to attempt to improve what can only be improved by practise, technique, skill, and of course, soul.

There, I said it.

btw, he showed me a set of these, not too expensive, R 4,000.00 for the set.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/custom-shop/humbuckers/p_green_humbuck_1/
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singemonkey wrote:
Oh... Stratman323, at the risk of being a dick, I don't think it's an ancient proverb. I think Bertrand Russell said that


Well Bertrand Russell counts as "ancient" doesn't he?



Anyway, I was thinking about chaging it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:

Guitarists and their GAS is borderline insanity, they'll change anything to attempt to improve what can only be improved by practise, technique, skill, and of course, soul.


Can you provide a link to where I can buy these things on-line?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Diamond wrote:

Guitarists and their GAS is borderline insanity, they'll change anything to attempt to improve what can only be improved by practise, technique, skill, and of course, soul.


Can you provide a link to where I can buy these things on-line?


Money can't buy everything.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a scary thought, one day you might be able to get your DNA programmed with talent and soul!

We would all still bicker about which type of talent programming was best
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk II's are just fine. Natural and organic sounding pickups, especially bridge pickup has a great sound. Wouldn't change 'em to mid-level/priced aftermarkets.

And if you asked me about coil splitting...well you didn't but I'm still answering - coil splitting w/ an LP-style guitar isn't a good idea.
1) coil splitting doesn't make your Paul sound like a strat/tele - it makes your Paul sound like a Paul without balls
2) IMO, coil splitting also requires pretty hot pickups, especially in the bridge position - average 10k 'bucker is only 5k splitted. And vintage style LP w/ over 15k pickup, well, not my cup of tea...

Just my couple of (euro)cents...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+ 1 Jay Low. It took me a few years to work that out for myself, but I agree.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an UK LS150. It has push pull tone pots that actually don't do anything cause they're not connected. If I want to use them I need to change the pickups to four conductor ones. So I'm wondering, does Tokai expect me to change the pickups? If not, why do they provide push pull tone pots? According to the specs my Tokai has Gotoh Custom PAF's, don't know if they're different than the MKII's, but I really like them. Does anybody know if the pickups are different and why Tokai uses push pull pots on this particular model?
Thanks in advance!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wozob wrote:
I have an UK LS150. It has push pull tone pots that actually don't do anything cause they're not connected. If I want to use them I need to change the pickups to four conductor ones. So I'm wondering, does Tokai expect me to change the pickups? If not, why do they provide push pull tone pots? According to the specs my Tokai has Gotoh Custom PAF's, don't know if they're different than the MKII's, but I really like them. Does anybody know if the pickups are different and why Tokai uses push pull pots on this particular model?
Thanks in advance!



I'd also love to know if
A) the mk2's are different to the gotoh customs and

B) why do they only appear on the UK LS150 and not on the LS200 etc?

I liked my mk2's but I'm not overly convinced these gotohs are as good (this may be down to me not getting on with my current amp tho!)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duncan have developed these to eleviate the need for additional switches.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/new-products/seymour_duncan_9/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I saw the Triple Shot rings when they came out, & they do look like a great technical solution. I do wonder how easy to use they are - there's a possibility that the little switch could be very fiddly. Also, last time I checked, they only came in black, which isn't ideal.

But they do seem like the ideal companions for the P-Rails (not least because they are both equally ugly!). I wonder how they work in practice?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've got them in cream as well on the website now.

You got to give them credit for coming up with this - very smart I think.
It can do series/parallel as well as turning off a coil as well, pretty cool, even though it is clearly designed to set up a tone and use it throughout an entire song rather than on the fly tone switching within a song.

To be fair most people would be happy to use the system in the way it's intended to be used anyway.
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