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MIJvintage
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two set s of DRY Z pups; one set in a 1981 Greco MSV-850 & the other set in a Bacchus BLS-59

IMO the DRY Z works best in the neck position in both guitars; best sounding 'bucker for the neck position
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could see that, especially if they were in the mid 7k range... T-Tops have a similar vibe and sound wonderfully clear in the neck. I personally like a bridge pickup to be 8k+ or close to it, but I have seen some Dry Zs that were this hot.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I?m thinking about ordering a VR-P1 set from RD pickups:

VR-P1
Alnico 2 7.6k bridge 7.4k neck
Initially based on the fabled Greco/Maxon DRY-Z pickups, produced for only a couple of years and found only in their premium guitars, our VR-P1 has a character and quality to rival the best vintage or current production boutique pickups.

Our VR-P1?s are very dynamic touch sensitive pickup, they respond very well to finger picking, with a range from smooth jazz tones in the neck position to an almost strat like clean bridge with the volume rolled back, but which can also deliver roaring classic rock tone. The neck position oozes those woody tones on the bass strings while retaining a nice balance with a sweet treble.


I?ve never heard the Dry Z?s IRL but to those of you that has, would it be wise to go for a slightly hotter/fatter/warmer bridge pickup?

I?m in no way looking for a "hot" PU I just don?t want it to be to bright and on the thin side.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

barburny wrote:

I have a set and they are bloody amazing


Just saw your post.
Are you happy with the bridge pickup, or would you have wanted it to be slightly hotter/warmer/fatter/darker?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread, funny that you can now buy a UK made replica of a 30 year old japanese pickup that's a replica of a 50 year old USA pickup, but at the introductory price they've got to be worth a pop!

Might be nice to get some more details on the specs, wire gauge, spacer material etc to see just how close they realy are.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you know me as Declan from Japanaxe, now also Declan from RD Pickups. apologies for jumping on the thread, this was not the way I had intended to let the tokai forum know about our new business. (Ned you have an email re advertising)

Firstly we do not do DRY Z Clones. Yes... the VR-P1, and indeed our whole approach to developing our pickups was "initially based on" the DRY Z's in my EGF 1200. This was our yard stick, our marker of quality to meet and beat if you will.

We didn't have a bucket of PAF's to analyse and take apart.. We went for the crazy and somewhat more affordable approach of using our ears, and some back to basics science.

Our intention was to wind some pickups for personal use until we found a formula that really worked.

So, definately NOT a DRY-Z "Clone"...... HOWEVER!!!!

The P1's are in the same ballpark, they differ in that the P1's are naturally a little brighter, this can be EQ'ed back a little to match if thats what you want. The P1's react to your playing in a similar way to the DRY-Zs, notes bloom and sustain in a similar way and they both have a vintage vibe and clarity, .... even on the neck with the tone rolled back.

They share traits, but they have a different charachter.In fact every P1 we wind is a little bit different than the last one we wound as bobbin tension and pattern are delivered by hand. To the best of my knowledge, some of the materials we are using, were never used in DRY-Z or PAF's for that matter.

John, you mentioned publishing specs, we have decided not to do that for various reasons, but mainly as they are meaningless unless we told you the whole complete story, unfortunately that would involve revealing way too much. I will give one example, we don't use 42AWG, we use something very close as it compensates for other non-standard materials we use.

Happy to answer any questions, and as with all our pickups, but judge them on their own merit, not a DRY-Z or PAF reproduction, I am not playing the quality down either..... For anyone that buys a set, If they don't absolutely knock your socks off, then I want you to send them back to me and I will happily refund you, .... no-one has asked for a refund yet!

Thanks for reading folks.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really really like the idea of the VR-P2 set; sounds like a set that I would love to try out

"VR-P2 Alnico 5/2, 8.1k bridge, 7.8k neck
A little more growl and bite than the VR-P1 while retaining all the definition and clarity. Play open chords even under high gain and each string will still ring out true and clear. The P2 was developed to offer the perfect compromise, We really like the combination of an A5 Bridge and an A2 neck in this set."

Both of my DRY Z sets seem to be lacking something in the bridge positions; the neck pups are awesome but the bridge pups just don't seem to be hot enough .................
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

move them closer to the strings.... big difference.. HOT
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

villager wrote:
move them closer to the strings.... big difference.. HOT


Yeh, you can, Mark. But, I have a set in an EGC-1000, and I have to set the p/up height based on the timbre and voicing, attack characteristics, etc that I want; and adjust polepiece height for string balance.

The neck is great. Not perfect - not sure that exists, although I have a couple sets that come close - but very, very nice. Timbre, voicing, power, etc. I have good voicing from the bridge p/up, but I can't get the power out of it. If I move it closer, I get the power increase, but the voicing loses timbre. I don't want it hotter - just more winds - it would take a combination of slightly more winds, and slightly stronger magnet.. Black art.

Ultimately, much of it is subjective. We don't want, or expect, to hear exactly the same thing. So, maybe my bridge Dry-Z p/up was built just one hour too late! Or, the wrong phase of the moon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Declan

Thanks for chipping in, when I said knowing the specs would be interesting, I didn't mean lets see if he's making them 'properly' or anything, I'm not a snob who wouldn't buy a pickup unless it had 50 year old maple spacers

I'm all for buying British as well, especially at that price! I'll go and count my pennies and be in touch


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
Hi Declan

Thanks for chipping in, when I said knowing the specs would be interesting, I didn't mean lets see if he's making them 'properly' or anything, I'm not a snob whou wouldn't buy a pickup unless it had 50 yaer old maple spacers

I'm all for buying british as well, especially at that price! I'll go and count my pennies and be in touch


Believe me john you will not be disapointed
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnA wrote:
I didn't mean lets see if he's making them 'properly' or anything, I'm not a snob who wouldn't buy a pickup unless it had 50 year old maple spacers


didn't think that for a minute John, just don't want a "clone" rumour starting, i think a slight modification to the wording on the website would also be in order. I want these to stand on their own merit. No expensive vintage PUPs had to die for us to come up with the VR's

MIJVINTAGE, how about an A8 bridge and an A3 neck if you really want a contrast !!!! don't laugh, you would be surprised!!

i will let the customers judge our pickups, but I guess one advantage we have over PAF & DRY Z for that matter is if you like them, we can do the diet version, the low fat version, the low sugar and the full fat full cream with chocolate chip on the top version. All use the same material, construction and have the same underlying tonal quality.

Mick, .... Definately a black art, we only wind new pickups on a full moon, each one requiring the sacrifice of several chickens and a rooster!

Barburny.... THANKS!!!

Mark, .... we will convert you !!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 7.5K U-1000 A8 in the neck and a 13K DiMarzio A5 in the bridge in my Greco and they work pretty well together.

The U-1000 in the neck is a bit on the bright side but not that much and the DiMarzio has a fair bit of drive but is still a bit PAF like and it's an interesting combination.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read here and other places in the past (I think) that Dry-Z pickups might have used AlNiCo 4. Any comments?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Idea on the Alnico 4 in DRY Z's I am afraid,

Different magnet suppliers have different formulas for their magnets so an A5 from supplier A may have more in common tonally with Supplier B's A4 than their A5.

The main useful charachteistic of any magnet is to ensure the highs get through on hot pickups and that it isn't over emphasised on lower output pickups, so you will see A3 (mainly) on our lower output PUPs and A5 or A8 on the hot ones. An A3 in a 8k pickup can sound a little mushy.

If you have a selection of magnets and fancy a bit of surgery it is a very worthwhile experiment, though I wouldn't get too hung up on which magnet was used in any particular pickup as it is only one part of a much larger picture
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