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villager said:
yes i have looked at all of those, thata the kind of thing i am looking for..heh but to choose...

yeah, i know, choosing is the problem. It took me about a year, maybe 18 months, before i decided on my engl. :lol: plus i've bought other amps since, too... :)
 
while looking at amps i found this, and had to share..


I would love to be able to walk into a music store, and play like this..


http://www.gazotube.com/FYnlaQ_j6Tw.html

does anyone know if the engle does good loud clean?
 
actually clean, crunch, gain channel. wasn't really what I expected.
Maybe because those amps are designed for more modern style guitars/pickups.
I played screamer 50 combo - clean started to drive too fast, gain is ok but this is not really hi gain. works quite nice with some modern types of pickups (probabilly will work ok with emg) - I tried it with some Kramer guitar, I think it was Dimarzio x2n installed, works ok but with les paul or strat just doesn't work.
I played tube rack 2x35w amp (discontinued, I think this is model 860, not shure), as far as I remembered was more rock sounding, not so hi gain. still: clean wasn't what I tought it was, gain was ok but not really hi gain.

right now I don't remember all models. I think Engl is more into powerful pickups oriented, modern style guitars. Maybe it will work ok with EMG but I hate EMG on guitars :oops:

If you're looking for some Hi Gain amps - some guys on one Slovenian guitar forum compared couple of hi-gain amps - Mesa dual and triple Rectifier, Hughes&Kettner triamp MK1 and MK2, Engl Ritchie Blackmoore sig, Peavey triple XXX and Marshall JCM 900 (ok, not really Hi Gain), guitar was PRS Custom 24. Winner: Mesa. But we all know - Rectifier and PRS is really good combination. We should make test comparing Les paul and maybe some strat guitars ;) Of course japan one 8)

I also tried couple og Hughes&Kettner (triamp mk1 combo 2x12, Switchblade, trilogy). To make story short: don't buy those amps.

probabily next week I'll go to Italy to test Mesa Boogie Mark III blue stripe, Elmwood modena 90 and VHT sig x. I'll have a Fibenare guitar (modern style), Tokai lS230, Bacchus BST54 or 62 and that Kramer I mentioned and I can write a review.
 
villager said:
while looking at amps i found this, and had to share..


I would love to be able to walk into a music store, and play like this..


http://www.gazotube.com/FYnlaQ_j6Tw.html

does anyone know if the engle does good loud clean?

i haven't tried the invader, but my savage se does loud cleans. breaks up a bit when really pushed, but that's incredibly loud. i assume the other high-end engl heads are similar.

The screamer is quite nice (it gets pretty high gain imo), but it doesn't really hold a candle to the higher-end engl heads. They get ridiculously high gain, I'm pretty sure the highest gain head i've ever tried has been either an engl powerball or SE. That's including things like rectos, 5150s (!), soldanos, vht, diezel, etc. etc. Ridiculous amounts of gain, really.

Though personally I'm not a major fan of the powerball, it's too orientated towards modern metal for my liking. The SE is a lot more versatile, but then it's ridiculously expensive. Savage might be worth a look, though (based on my savage se- i haven't tried the normal savage, they're a little different).

fwiw, IMO the engl cleans are good for high gain heads (they're an awful lot nicer than e.g. a 5150 clean, but won't be as nice as an amp aimed at cleans), but I have tried several other high gain heads with as nice cleans, if not maybe even slightly nicer. It all depends on what you want, what type of tone you're after, whether you're willing to compromise on cleans for a slightly nicer lead channel, etc. etc. etc.

EDIT: i don't use EMGs either, I use a range of different pickups.

I'm not trying to sell you an engl, lol, you can get what you want, but it's not really fair to write off engl because the screamer isn't what you want (if you ask me the screamer is pretty decent for the price, just not as good as the more expensive ones). You wouldn't refuse to buy a recto (if that's what you wanted) because you don't like the mesa express, kind of thing.
 
maybe some more expensive engl sounds good, I wrote my opinion on that I tried. But if I had to spend 2000+ ? for an amp, I would definitelly check other amps.

villager - one guy I know had conford mk50h and was very satisfied, I think he just sold it for 1200 or something. unfortunatelly I didn't have time to go to his place and try it.
 
villager said:
while looking at amps i found this, and had to share..


I would love to be able to walk into a music store, and play like this..


http://www.gazotube.com/FYnlaQ_j6Tw.html

does anyone know if the engle does good loud clean?

He's got some chops!!
 
Diodibuh said:
maybe some more expensive engl sounds good, I wrote my opinion on that I tried. But if I had to spend 2000+ ? for an amp, I would definitelly check other amps.

oh yeah, of course. I'm just saying it's not fair to write off engl because the lower models don't compare with the boutique stuff. :)
 
villager said:
decided to sell my cornford hellcat head, as theres not enough clean headroom in 30w for me, so I am looking hard at the cornford MK50 MK2, clean and overdriven channel, 50w,

i am not knowledgable on amps ..and so could anyone make some other suggestions, I want a sparkly clean channel, and a monsterous overdrive channel, nothing more ..

I have the ceriatone overtone 100w, which does both these very well, but the overdrive is less monsterous than the hellcat, but smoother, so I would like something with different voicing to the overtone as the second amp... I did consider just getting another overtone, but I decided to try some variation, any suggestions welcome, .. I need clean headroom to match the overtone 100w, and a more heavy (than the overtone) second channel...heh I wish they made a 100w hellcat...


Hi Mark

Check out Matamp's


http://www.matamp.co.uk/1224IIhead.htm

The 1224 MkII gets rave reviews - you can put in any value to shape your tone !!!

http://www.matamp.co.uk/history1.htm

Here's the manual

http://www.matamp.co.uk/documents/1224.pdf

Here's a demo of the amp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0xYq_Ig3Bo

Get in touch with Jeff at Matamp and he'll give you the low down on which of his amps would suit your needs

They must know what they are talking about as the demo guitars they have at their factory are Tokai's !!

Check out this guy testing the amps with a Breezy and Love Rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aVN9-utlM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZhR0-zw6ZM&feature=related

He's certainly got tone in his fingers

Chris
 
chrisheyes, Those Matamp's seem very inovative, looks like loads of versatility, but I didn't really hear an over the top Soldano tone.

I agree with Dave_Mc about Engl. I have an E580 preamp going into either a VHT 2502 or Carvin TS100, both with EL34/6L6 combination.

The cleans and crunch are up there with the best imo. From Fender to Marshall it's all there. The heavy modern overdrives however, sound awesome, but I can't really compare them to the likes of Mesa, Diezel, or Soldano. It has its own voice with more gain than you'd ever need. Very nice airy tone, full and articulate. IMO; the high end Engls are THE most versatile between the cleanest cleans and the heaviest of distortions and are about the only choice we have for this extreme of clean to brutal. Other amps can do one or the other, but do not do both as well as Engl. Models to check out other than the E580 pre would be the SE 6L6 head, and SE EL34 head. I haven't heard the Savage cleans so can't comment on them. The Blackmore gets rave reviews, but does not get as brutal as the Savage or SE's. The clean headroom is great on any of these, but power tube choice, 6L6 generally has more than el34. KT88's will give the most. I am just being brief.

A much less expensive choice might be an Egnater Tourmaster or Renegade. Just be sure you get a 30 day money back trial period, as some of these have issues as they are made in China, and their quality control is not as good.

Engl's are very versatile in the clean/crunch department, don't let the name and rep fool you. The only alternative is two amps. :wink:
 

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