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bruceboomstick
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing about these "canadian market" guitars is that they seem to pretty well made.

Perhaps if the distributor involved with this situation had of come up with a unique name of his own to put on the headstock he'd actually have given the world a pretty cool line of guitars. Not to mention maintaining the resale values.

Although I guess it would have been a bit harder to establish them in the market with no pedigree behind them
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Funny thing about these "canadian market" guitars is that they seem to pretty well made.

Perhaps if the distributor involved with this situation had of come up with a unique name of his own to put on the headstock he'd actually have given the world a pretty cool line of guitars. Not to mention maintaining the resale values.


I agree with everything you have said. Its a pity some people try and cut corners and trade of someone else's good name.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
Its a pity some people try and cut corners and trade of someone else's good name.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually bonding with my Fakai Love Rock here. It stays in tune better than any of my other guitars, including my Hamer USA P90 special. I like the sound of the Rio Grandes, but I can't get used ot 50s wiring. The previous owner spent more on upgrades than what this guitar is really worth.

I know I cannot really sell for a decent price, but there is an odd sense of liberation in this. I now feel free to experiment with this guitar. I'll get the wiring changed to modern - h*ll, I'll even change the lay out of the controls. I am even thinking of a refret - yeah, I know, but I want to try jumbos on an LP type guitar. I'd rather try it on the Fakai than a Gibby to see if it works.

That's were I am so far. As as matter of fact, I have not picked any of my other three guitars since I got this one.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a real shame that we have to brand these as "fakes" as it seems like they may be at least as good as the real MIK Love Rocks, which were decent guitars themselves. I think you have the right attitude Robert, just enjoy it as a good guitar, which is what you wanted in the first place.

There are a lot of "fake" Fenders & Gibsons out there, from all kinds of sources, which are great guitars.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stratman323 wrote:
It's a real shame that we have to brand these as "fakes" as it seems like they may be at least as good as the real MIK Love Rocks, which were decent guitars themselves. I think you have the right attitude Robert, just enjoy it as a good guitar, which is what you wanted in the first place.

There are a lot of "fake" Fenders & Gibsons out there, from all kinds of sources, which are great guitars.
I had one of the Canadian Fakai (2003) for a short time recently. The original seller stepped up and took it back when we figured out it was not genuine. But I agree that the Fakai was actually a very excellent guitar and I suspect that many of them are. I did have one thing that may have been trouble and this has been reported in at least one other post on TokaiForum -- I had a lot of trouble getting fret buzz out of the low E string and I suspect (but certainly do not know) that the nut grove was either faulty or worn. I realize this isn't the end of the world and if I had kept the guitar, I would have replaced the nut and further experimented with the guitar -- as the original poster mentions, it's a little liberating to know that you're not messing with the "real thing" .

I guess the point is that most of the Canadian 2003-2005 "Make in Korea" Fakai do seem to be very good guitars, but they are not necessarily the consistency that might be expected with a genuine Tokai. I am aware that genuine MIK Tokai have the same issue relative to MIJ Tokai. Complicated ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just searched the local Craigslist for Tokai here in Toronto. I found 4 Fakais (including the one I traded for). There were two Love Rocks, a Hummingbird, and an SG. The SG seller even listed the serial # which was 05******. Guess they are common here in the Great White North.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Made an additional searchon Kijiji Toronto and found two more Love Rock Fakais and Rosewood Tele - it had the one screw truss rod cover.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing how the Canadian distributor had these made it is no surprise to me that they are everywhere in Canada. I searched guitar shops in Canada and found at least 5 shops selling these things as "Tokai's".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me the Canadian distributor who's responsible should be practising scales in a jail cell, on an Epiphone.

Had he done that to me, I can assure you he'd be doing time right now...
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Lexx
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond wrote:
Seems to me the Canadian distributor who's responsible should be practising scales in a jail cell, on an Epiphone.

Had he done that to me, I can assure you he'd be doing time right now...
Notwithstanding that the Fakais in question are actually generally good guitars, I do agree with the sentiment. Besides the initial fraud, because of the volume of guitars made and sold, the economic and ruined relationship impact of the used sales market is huge. Even though the deed is done and finished, the fraud continues to generate bad deals and even legal cases for future owners -- such a continued negative impact and cost to society should be punished, no question.

P.S. I've now made it a hobby to ask all Kijiji posters of "Tokai" in my area to send me photos of the back of their headstock. Out of 4 posting in the last 2 weeks, 1 didn't respond at all but the guitar is still available, 3 responded, 1 I think was real, 2 of those were Fakai, 1 asked why I cared and I layed out the the story to them and they pulled their ad and decided to keep the guitar. It's going to be a couple of decades before this thing settles ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be visiting Manitoba in sept and will be making my usual trips to the guitar stores in Winnipeg. I'm positive Encore music there was selling these Fakai's when I was there Last. I am curious to hear what guys in the shop are going to say because I dont beleive for one minute that they beleive that they are Tokai's.

On a different note if somone offered me one at a knockdown price and it played well then I would snap it up, as people are saying they are good guitars, just not what it says on the headstock!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I googled Active Musical Products and got several listings in local business web sites. Two of them still had it listed as the distibutor for Tokai. Some of these could be unchanged for the last few years though. Active is (was?) located in Waterdown, Ontario, which is east of Toronto and north of Hamilton.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Member in Canada ring these guys and even left messages on their answering machine but no replies, they don't even have an email address. Those are all old listings. I am under the impression the importer told local music shops that these guitars were "real" Tokai's. I had some correspondence with JSD and Kevin {well thats the impression i got} never new that these were fakes. He does now.

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