Vintage '81 Tokai ES150R

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu May 21, 2009 3:12 pm

bigmike wrote:
As it should be - the cherry ES150DCC is the rarest of rare ES150DCs...

Very Nice !!
Good eye! Right you are.....1969 ES150DC in Cherry. First year issue of this model and the only year they came in Cherry. Made until 1974 in Natural and Walnut finsh.

ES335 profile with ES175 thickness... all hollow and howls like a coyote if you turn toward an amp. But the master volume knob really helps that.

Thanks for the kind words.

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Post by stratman323 » Thu May 21, 2009 3:28 pm

marcusnieman wrote:ES335 profile with ES175 thickness... all hollow and howls like a coyote if you turn toward an amp. But the master volume knob really helps that.
Oh that's interesting, I hadn't heard of those. So kinda like a 330 with HBs?

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu May 21, 2009 4:44 pm

stratman323 wrote:
marcusnieman wrote:ES335 profile with ES175 thickness... all hollow and howls like a coyote if you turn toward an amp. But the master volume knob really helps that.
Oh that's interesting, I hadn't heard of those. So kinda like a 330 with HBs?
Well like a 330 in the sense its the same shape but the 150 has twice as thick a body than a 330 or 335. It's a fat boy, big box like an ES175. The master volume control on the lower bout is a really cool feature.

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Post by luis » Fri May 22, 2009 1:08 am

Mr. Bob this is a Tokai model I?ve been looking for and I would love to own,but cannot get that price.

Good luck on the sale,it?s a beauty!

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Post by the_man » Fri May 22, 2009 7:46 pm

She is a real beauty. However, the asking price is very similar to a 1964 ES335 on ebay 2 days ago.

My max offer would be around USD 1800.--. Thats her value.

I know that I'll get flamed for thtis statement.

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Post by bart » Sat May 23, 2009 1:26 am

the_man wrote:She is a real beauty. However, the asking price is very similar to a 1964 ES335 on ebay 2 days ago.

My max offer would be around USD 1800.--. Thats her value.

I know that I'll get flamed for thtis statement.

Rup
You shouldn't, that's interesting information, if people can't accept that kind of info they should do something else.

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Post by villager » Sat May 23, 2009 2:14 am

the_man wrote:She is a real beauty. However, the asking price is very similar to a 1964 ES335 on ebay 2 days ago.

My max offer would be around USD 1800.--. Thats her value.

I know that I'll get flamed for thtis statement.

Rup
not flamed, just laughed at..

when you state ''thats her value'' what you mean is that is what you want to pay... nice ploy to try and get the price down.. I think thats a high price, but not crazy high..

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Post by MIJvintage » Sat May 23, 2009 7:58 am

the_man wrote:She is a real beauty. However, the asking price is very similar to a 1964 ES335 on ebay 2 days ago.

My max offer would be around USD 1800.--. Thats her value.

I know that I'll get flamed for thtis statement.

Rup

when anyone states, "Thats her value", that is one opinion & one opinion only

Ultimately, the value is what someone is willing to pay & also, what the owner is willing to take for it

My idea of a minimum valuation would be ~ $2,400 USD
My idea of a maximum valuation would be ~ $3200 USD

The seller's asking price is ~$3700 USD

One should certainly consider the rarity of the item, and also the condition

IMO, your estimation of value of $1800, I believe, is quite low
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Post by bigmike » Sat May 23, 2009 8:32 am

I concur with the masses here, that value of $1800.00 is quite low in my eyes too...

People always hope to get a good deal. It's human nature. Markets fluctuate on some models wildly. Not long ago mid to late 60's ES335 and ES345s were deals, now people have "gotten over" trying to find a 50s version and the prices have drastically gone up on the ES's...

Here's my old (no longer own it) ES150DCN, mid 69 vintage. I got it on 9/11... Yeah, THAT 9/11... I watched the auction like crazy and put in my very first eSnipe bid and got the guitar for, $700.00 !! I could not believe it... The original pickups were gone and it needed new wiring but all in all I put $1200.00 into it (guitar price, Seymour Duncan Antiquities, new wiring and the lovely hand made ebony tailpiece)... Bad thing about these babies is there are some with a lot of finish checking. Mine was like an alligator, sure was sweet playing...

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For anyone jonesing for this type of guitar you can find Jay Turser JT142s on eBay for about $300.00... It's a discontinued model so if you see the one you want go for it.

Now a-days the ES150DCs go for about 3k... Back when I got mine the standard going price was about $1500.00 - $1800.00 if it was a blonde, the walnut finished ones are cheaper (and more common).

THE CHERRY ES150DCC - I tell ya I would rather have one of those than an L5... No kidding

I got this around my birthday last year - a Korean built Vantage ES150DCN clone. Maple neck... I got the Gibson ES175 tailpiece and gold knobs and love it. I paid under $300.00 for it. I do want to replace the pickups and wiring at some point. But to sit out on the deck with my old Deluxe Reverb and Dumble pedal this thing is a nice jazz box...

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Post by Mr.Bob » Sat May 23, 2009 8:56 am

hello folks...
thanks for the intense contribution, i also very much appreciate all the various statements - that's O.K.! also, the simple fact is - America is still the "BUYERS-PARADISE" -
however, i have never seen, even nowadays in these times of money-crisis, the '64-ES guitar for less than maybe 6 - 8.000,00 $ usually more - even the "Clapton-copy" sells for 8 - 10.000,00 $...
also, thanks Villager & MIJvintage - your statements are 100% right: "the value is what someone is willing to pay" - add. "and diamonds are nothing else than pressed carbon !"
finally - one more idea for the pickguard discussion, i.e. "long" or "short" - no pickguard doesn't look that bad either...


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Post by marcusnieman » Sat May 23, 2009 9:05 am

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Post by marcusnieman » Sat May 23, 2009 9:06 am

bigmike wrote:I concur with the masses here, that value of $1800.00 is quite low in my eyes too...

People always hope to get a good deal. It's human nature. Markets fluctuate on some models wildly. Not long ago mid to late 60's ES335 and ES345s were deals, now people have "gotten over" trying to find a 50s version and the prices have drastically gone up on the ES's...

Here's my old (no longer own it) ES150DCN, mid 69 vintage. I got it on 9/11... Yeah, THAT 9/11... I watched the auction like crazy and put in my very first eSnipe bid and got the guitar for, $700.00 !! I could not believe it... The original pickups were gone and it needed new wiring but all in all I put $1200.00 into it (guitar price, Seymour Duncan Antiquities, new wiring and the lovely hand made ebony tailpiece)... Bad thing about these babies is there are some with a lot of finish checking. Mine was like an alligator, sure was sweet playing...

Image

For anyone jonesing for this type of guitar you can find Jay Turser JT142s on eBay for about $300.00... It's a discontinued model so if you see the one you want go for it.

Now a-days the ES150DCs go for about 3k... Back when I got mine the standard going price was about $1500.00 - $1800.00 if it was a blonde, the walnut finished ones are cheaper (and more common).

THE CHERRY ES150DCC - I tell ya I would rather have one of those than an L5... No kidding

I got this around my birthday last year - a Korean built Vantage ES150DCN clone. Maple neck... I got the Gibson ES175 tailpiece and gold knobs and love it. I paid under $300.00 for it. I do want to replace the pickups and wiring at some point. But to sit out on the deck with my old Deluxe Reverb and Dumble pedal this thing is a nice jazz box...

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Nice! That Vantage is cool too.

Yeah, the value of the ES150DC's has just about doubled over the last few years. Think I paid $1500 several years ago (all original and original hardshell case).

It's my second vintage guitar. My other "nest egg" guitar, a mint 65 Strat is now worth 5 times what I paid for it. Again, not a popular guitar because Fender went to CBS later that year but the 65's with the small headstock and transitional logo are still pre CBS. While everyone was busy buying 62's and 50's strats, the lowley 65 could be snapped up at a decent price. Not any more.

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Post by MIJvintage » Sat May 23, 2009 9:10 am

Mr.Bob wrote:hello folks...
thanks for the intense contribution, i also very much appreciate all the various statements - that's O.K.! also, the simple fact is - America is still the "BUYERS-PARADISE" -
however, i have never seen, even nowadays in these times of money-crisis, the '64-ES guitar for less than maybe 6 - 8.000,00 $ usually more - even the "Clapton-copy" sells for 8 - 10.000,00 $...
also, thanks Villager & MIJvintage - your statements are 100% right: "the value is what someone is willing to pay" - add. "and diamonds are nothing else than pressed carbon !"
finally - one more idea for the pickguard discussion, i.e. "long" or "short" - no pickguard doesn't look that bad either...
That is a lovely ES & if I were in the market for one, I would certainly have a difficult time resisiting this one.
Is that a Brazilian fingerboard?
I actually prefer the short pick guard, as in the first photo of the thread.
The no pickguard look is pretty nice too tho' ................
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Post by Mr.Bob » Sat May 23, 2009 2:41 pm

hello MIJvintage...
yes, it's brazilian rosewood - this i've been told by the Tokai man on the "Frankfurt Messe" in 1982 - to my knowledge, Tokai official name was "JACARANDA"...

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Post by stratman323 » Sun May 24, 2009 4:41 am

marcusnieman wrote: not a popular guitar because Fender went to CBS later that year but the 65's with the small headstock and transitional logo are still pre CBS.
CBS took over Fender from January 1965. Obviously the early CBS guitars were likely to be made up of old parts in stock, but anything dated 1965 onwards is CBS.

So if you don't want it any more Marcus - just ship it over here!

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