JohnA wrote:There is no doubt it's a Bacchus, made in Japan and probably in terms of construction exactly the same as a vintage series, but does that make it a Vintage series? The model designation in this case BSG-68V on a non-vintage series SG would be something like BSG-120 i.e. the Yen price and not the year with a 'V' suffix.
to repeat myself:
I've had a lot of Bacchi through my hands with the original certificates, some with 'V' suffixes on the model designations and some without, in EVERY case the 'V''s have had serial nimbers, Strats, Tele's, SG's (see three pics in second post), Les Pauls and one Vee (does that make it a VeeV)
I have NEVER seen a V model without a S/N
Now I know that isn't proof, but neither is an email from someone who works for Deviser, I'm not stating I'm right or you're wrong, just that I would love to see some hard evidence to did-prove my theory that ALL vintage series had serial no's.
I know Bacchus issued certificates with model numbers on guitars without serials so surely there must be one somewhere?
What would be the point - without the serial number it couldn't be proved that the certificate went with any particular guitar? Although, I'd bet that when they were new they all came with a certificate.
There could be a collector grade Vintage Series set neck model out there somewhere with its original certificate, but I doubt I'll ever see one in my lifetime.
What is the definition of a Vintage Series anyway? Vintage style clones? You would think that no oil finished model could ever be part of the Vintage Series, and in fact that was the belief on this forum not more than a year or two ago. I recently suggested that a certain Tele was not technically a V because it had a 22 fret neck, but if I believe that then I should also believe that no oil finished Bacchus guitar can be a V either, as those features are not in keeping with the originals they are copying.
Your theory, although it makes sense to you and probably others, does not stand as a fact that needs disproving, it also needs proof that it is correct. Putting aside the bolt on models - half a dozen Vintage Series guitars and all of them had serial numbers, so therefore all V Series guitars must have serial numbers, yet Deviser says that wasn't the case. To be fair, that is really only an assumption at best.