I`ve just about had enough of this fakery.

Music stores and pawn shops where Tokai guitars have been spotted for sale. New or used.

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I`ve just about had enough of this fakery.

Post by bluejeannot » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:53 pm

Third time this joker has tried to pass this off as a Tokai.I have informed him 3 times and contacted E bay 3 times,is there nothing we can do to stop this?Gabe. : :roll:p.s this guitar is featured on the E bay section of the Registry, fer crise sakes!
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Post by brokentoes » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:03 pm

Trick-f(&*ery, i say old chap, dagnabit !!!

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Post by marcusnieman » Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:45 am

Pass what off as a Tokai? Pictures or link would be helpful

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Post by bluejeannot » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:03 pm

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Post by marcusnieman » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:43 am

bluejeannot wrote:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0534425512
Sorry here it is :oops: Gabe.
They are becoming quite brazen arent they? The only thing Tokai about that piece of junk is the name.

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Post by Koubayashi » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:10 am

I stopped caring about such things.

If people don't research before they buy something they dispose themselves to a risk and therefor has to take that risk.

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Post by JVsearch » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:31 am

Koubayashi wrote:I stopped caring about such things.

If people don't research before they buy something they dispose themselves to a risk and therefor has to take that risk.
That attitude is fine for peoples' hobbies (like guitar) but imagine if we all had to research EVERYTHING before making a purchase! We wouldn't have time to work to get the money to buy the stuff... :)
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by Koubayashi » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:23 am

JVsearch wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:I stopped caring about such things.

If people don't research before they buy something they dispose themselves to a risk and therefor has to take that risk.
That attitude is fine for peoples' hobbies (like guitar) but imagine if we all had to research EVERYTHING before making a purchase! We wouldn't have time to work to get the money to buy the stuff... :)
I research most things I buy.
Food, clothes, shoes and more.

For example: I don't buy Chicita's bananas cause I don't like the company, I don't buy American products cause I don't like American politics and I don't buy food with certain E-codes.

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Post by CliffsComicWorld » Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:19 pm

Wait a minute... Koubayashi ......... you do own Gibson guitars...

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Post by Koubayashi » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:10 pm

CliffsComicWorld wrote:Wait a minute... Koubayashi ......... you do own Gibson guitars...
I never bought a new one :wink:

It is ofcourse very hard to totally avoid American products.
Like this: I don't buy Nike, I buy Adidas.

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Post by bluejeannot » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:30 pm

We live in a totally interconnected world,thousands of Japanese people will have shares in U.S companies and vice versa.I doubt that your trade boycott will affect U.S foreign policy one iota.Many people object to the Japanese policy on whaling ,or the Chinese policy on Tibet.My own country`s conduct leaves a lot to be desired.There are other more effective ways of changing a country`s behaviour. Gabe.
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Post by Koubayashi » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:17 pm

bluejeannot wrote:We live in a totally interconnected world,thousands of Japanese people will have shares in U.S companies and vice versa.I doubt that your trade boycott will affect U.S foreign policy one iota.Many people object to the Japanese policy on whaling ,or the Chinese policy on Tibet.My own country`s conduct leaves a lot to be desired.There are other more effective ways of changing a country`s behaviour. Gabe.
Lets stay OT :D

There are two reasons for me to avoid American products:
1. Ethical reasons
2. If I avoid made in USA products I contribute to cut jobs in America.

Nr:2 is cynical but the only way to change the "American way" is to create a vaccum where American people has no jobs. No jobs = upset people = conflicts = change.

And back on topic.
This thread highlights the issue of fakes.
My personal view is that the seller is 100% responsible to give an accurate description of the item he/she wants to sell.
The only excuse I can think of is lack of knowledge.
However, the honest seller will answer questions and provide additional photos on request.
The mainproblem with E-bay and Yafu- (Yahoo in Japanese :D ) is that the systems they use are made to protect the sellers.
On Yahoo the seller adds the little "no claim no return) and keep the back free.
There are so many sellers with nearly perfect ratings that I never buy from cause I know they are in the grey zone.

The auction sites would lose a lot of cash if they used an honest and transparent rating system.

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Post by iainblack » Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:48 pm

Do we have a contact email for Tokai for them to contact eBay and ask the sale to stop as copyright owner? This happens for other fake products

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Post by leadguitar_323 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:21 pm

Ian, i have spoken with Tokai on several occasions about these fakes and they never ever expressed any interest in doing anything about this problem. Tokai is a relatively small company and sells everything it makes and in fact, has trouble keeping up with demand for their products so i don't think this worries them that much. I read somewhere that the Tokai president was at a music expo somewhere and he approached the owner of one of the factories that made the fakes in Korea and told him he was unhappy with what was going on and apparently that is when the Korean fakes stopped being made.

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so many guitars....so little money...

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Post by Koubayashi » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:00 am

leadguitar_323 wrote:Ian, i have spoken with Tokai on several occasions about these fakes and they never ever expressed any interest in doing anything about this problem. Tokai is a relatively small company and sells everything it makes and in fact, has trouble keeping up with demand for their products so i don't think this worries them that much. I read somewhere that the Tokai president was at a music expo somewhere and he approached the owner of one of the factories that made the fakes in Korea and told him he was unhappy with what was going on and apparently that is when the Korean fakes stopped being made.

Mick
Kind of sarcastic to ask someone to stop make copies of another copy :D

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