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Burny Les Paul 57' Junior Dating

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:51 pm
by Perregrintuk
Hey Folks,

I purchased an awesome Piece of guitar history. It is a Burny Rock n' Roll Les Paul Junior 57'. One of my greatest findings ever in my opinion. I Love this resonant and screaming Piece of mahagoni! It weighs about 8 pounds, has a deep set neck, a great dark and thick rosewood Board, and an awesome neck profile, wide and fat. It feels just Great. The laquer is thin with wood grain sneaking through and nicely fainted. Bridge is a replacement from Faber (Made in Germany) Cap is a black beauty, PIO. The Tuners are stamped Greco. Serialnumber is stamped in the pickup cavity Reading 803030.

My question, could you help me dating it?

Here are some pics.

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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:14 pm
by brokentoes
That looks magnificent !! Congrats on that. Just the kind of guitar i love.
Sorry i can`t help you with the date.

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:12 am
by LPjunior
Looks like a 1988 LJ-55, the rock n roll versions came out in 1986 and ended 1993 I think, Burny serials usually have the year has as the first number so can only be 1988. If it still has the original pots you should be able to date it to the month of manufacture too.

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:07 am
by Perregrintuk
Thank you very much.

It is indeed an outstanding guitar. I was a little bit worried in the first, but when I played it...jeeeesssus I tell you. Just incredible. Even compared to my Greco EG 59-85, which I thought was one of the best guitars ever. (an I played a lot of expensive guitars, trust me, a lot a lot...from Gibson Custom Shop to small boutique luthers)

And thank your for telling me at least the model and the range of production. 1988 sound great.

Do you have any idea, where I can get some catalogues from Burny?

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:24 am
by marcusnieman
Nice

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:30 pm
by LPjunior
Perregrintuk wrote:

Do you have any idea, where I can get some catalogues from Burny?
The catalogues are all here as pdf's, thankfully Fernandes have them going back as far as 1973.

http://www.fernandes.co.jp/catalog/

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:10 pm
by Perregrintuk
Thanks you very much LPjunior!

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:24 am
by cashcow
Did Burny use lacquer?

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:30 pm
by Perregrintuk
Do you mean some nitrocellulose? Actually I think they used the same "nitro" like a lot of the japanese manufacturers in the high quality range It is some kind of aging nitro which gets old and yellow (see me white Les Paul Junior) but actually don't gets the cracking as seen in Gibsons. My old Greco EG 59-85 has nitro which has the same feeling like the Burny. And in the high quality range, all of the guitars have very very thin lacquer.

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:58 pm
by J.E.M.
cashcow wrote:Did Burny use lacquer?
Yes on the higher models, my RLG90 has a nitro lacquer finish.

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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:16 am
by marcusnieman
Nice junior!

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:53 pm
by Shredder69
LPjunior wrote:Looks like a 1988 LJ-55, the rock n roll versions came out in 1986 and ended 1993 I think, Burny serials usually have the year has as the first number so can only be 1988. If it still has the original pots you should be able to date it to the month of manufacture too.
Not a serial, but date. March 3rd, 1988 for this one.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:51 am
by le juge
I have the '58 DC model, RLJ80-58.
I love this guitar and the neck is very comfortable. The only thing I change is the brigde because the stock one deserve the guitar.
I'm thinking about a P90 swap, possibly a Wolfetone or a Tyson Tone Lab.