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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:37 am
by januz
Just found this: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/
(At the end of the page. Edit: New stuff is added all the time so the ad will move further back continously.)

A cherry Burny RSA100

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No "flower" on the headstock but the TRC is different from the one in my pic and looks a bit like the chineese ones, but there seems to be only 2 screws.

47,800 JPY - and a gig bag... - really doesn?t suggest a Japanese high end model with nitro? (Or someone isn?t aware of what they?re selling.)

Mystifying all this...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:28 am
by marcusnieman
I think that TRC is legit for MIJ. Do the Chinese versions have orange labels inside too?

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:48 am
by januz
marcusnieman wrote:Do the Chinese versions have orange labels inside too?
No idea...
There MIGHT be one lurking in the upper f-hole... or maybe not...

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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:36 am
by le juge
januz wrote:Just found this: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/
(At the end of the page. Edit: New stuff is added all the time so the ad will move further back continously.)

A cherry Burny RSA100

Image

No "flower" on the headstock but the TRC is different from the one in my pic and looks a bit like the chineese ones, but there seems to be only 2 screws.

47,800 JPY - and a gig bag... - really doesn?t suggest a Japanese high end model with nitro? (Or someone isn?t aware of what they?re selling.)

Mystifying all this...
That was exactly what I was talking about in my previous message, this have a two screws TRC, probably replaced by a bell-shape one.

It would be interesting to know if they are evenly made by Tokai (with the shape of the square in the pickup cavities per exemple). Early 2000, there were ES-110 model so it's approxymatly the same price at this time.

I think that for this price they are urethane finish.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:19 am
by Koubayashi
le juge wrote:
januz wrote:Just found this: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/
(At the end of the page. Edit: New stuff is added all the time so the ad will move further back continously.)

A cherry Burny RSA100

Image

No "flower" on the headstock but the TRC is different from the one in my pic and looks a bit like the chineese ones, but there seems to be only 2 screws.

47,800 JPY - and a gig bag... - really doesn?t suggest a Japanese high end model with nitro? (Or someone isn?t aware of what they?re selling.)

Mystifying all this...
That was exactly what I was talking about in my previous message, this have a two screws TRC, probably replaced by a bell-shape one.

It would be interesting to know if they are evenly made by Tokai (with the shape of the square in the pickup cavities per exemple). Early 2000, there were ES-110 model so it's approxymatly the same price at this time.

I think that for this price they are urethane finish.
It would be impossible to sell a Japanese made 335 for 50000yen new even in Japan. The salaries and everything are too high for that.

Those on Ishibashi are Made in China.


If you look carefully you can see that the bellplate is attached with two screws, however, look even more carefully and you'll notice that the lower screw is decentralized. Basically, one screw (out of three) has been removed or fallen off.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:05 am
by le juge
Koubayashi wrote:
le juge wrote:
januz wrote:Just found this: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/
(At the end of the page. Edit: New stuff is added all the time so the ad will move further back continously.)

A cherry Burny RSA100

Image

No "flower" on the headstock but the TRC is different from the one in my pic and looks a bit like the chineese ones, but there seems to be only 2 screws.

47,800 JPY - and a gig bag... - really doesn?t suggest a Japanese high end model with nitro? (Or someone isn?t aware of what they?re selling.)

Mystifying all this...
That was exactly what I was talking about in my previous message, this have a two screws TRC, probably replaced by a bell-shape one.

It would be interesting to know if they are evenly made by Tokai (with the shape of the square in the pickup cavities per exemple). Early 2000, there were ES-110 model so it's approxymatly the same price at this time.

I think that for this price they are urethane finish.
It would be impossible to sell a Japanese made 335 for 50000yen new even in Japan. The salaries and everything are too high for that.

Those on Ishibashi are Made in China.


If you look carefully you can see that the bellplate is attached with two screws, however, look even more carefully and you'll notice that the lower screw is decentralized. Basically, one screw (out of three) has been removed or fallen off.
No, I'm shure...I've seen Burny LPs mij from the early 2000's with this two screw TRC.
If the model is RSA100, so the price was 100000Yen !?... No ?!

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:19 am
by Koubayashi
le juge wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
le juge wrote:
januz wrote:Just found this: http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/
(At the end of the page. Edit: New stuff is added all the time so the ad will move further back continously.)

A cherry Burny RSA100

Image

No "flower" on the headstock but the TRC is different from the one in my pic and looks a bit like the chineese ones, but there seems to be only 2 screws.

47,800 JPY - and a gig bag... - really doesn?t suggest a Japanese high end model with nitro? (Or someone isn?t aware of what they?re selling.)

Mystifying all this...
That was exactly what I was talking about in my previous message, this have a two screws TRC, probably replaced by a bell-shape one.

It would be interesting to know if they are evenly made by Tokai (with the shape of the square in the pickup cavities per exemple). Early 2000, there were ES-110 model so it's approxymatly the same price at this time.

I think that for this price they are urethane finish.
It would be impossible to sell a Japanese made 335 for 50000yen new even in Japan. The salaries and everything are too high for that.

Those on Ishibashi are Made in China.


If you look carefully you can see that the bellplate is attached with two screws, however, look even more carefully and you'll notice that the lower screw is decentralized. Basically, one screw (out of three) has been removed or fallen off.
No, I'm shure...I've seen Burny LPs mij from the early 2000's with this two screw TRC.
If the model is RSA100, so the price was 100000Yen !?... No ?!
I am absolutely sure it is just de-centered (well, 90% sure :D ).

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:37 pm
by januz
le juge wrote: It would be interesting to know if they are evenly made by Tokai (with the shape of the square in the pickup cavities per exemple). Early 2000, there were ES-110 model so it's approxymatly the same price at this time.

I think that for this price they are urethane finish.
The Tokais in the 2005 catalog where:

ES155 (flamed maple top, sides & back, Honduras mahogany neck, brass saddles, aluminum tailpiece, CTS pots, sprague orange drop caps, Switchcraft jack, lacquer finish)

ES135 (flamed maple top, sides & back, mahogany neck with block inlays, shorter pickguard, lacquer finish)

ES130 (flamed maple top, sides & back, mahogany neck, lacquer finish)

ES120L (left-handed, maple top, sides & back, mahogany neck)

ES110 (maple top, sides & back, mahogany neck)

ES60 (MIK, maple top, sides & back, maple neck)

Here?s a ES100

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Not totally unlike the Burny in my pic.

IF this Burny is more or less the same guitar as a Tokai ES100/ES110 it is made in Japan but it?s not nitro as it is a lower model instrument.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:15 pm
by Koubayashi
I'm pretty sure a Tokai built Burny wouldn't have VH1-pickups.

I checked the solder joints with a mirror today and everything on the inside is factory installed (impossible to make it that neat and nice unless the top is of).

Oh well...Some things are supposed to be mysterious...

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:20 pm
by januz
Did you find time to check the finish with acetone?
By the way, when you looked at the bottom of the pickups, do you remember if the routing had this shape of the square in the pickup cavities like in a Tokai?

The guitar doesn?t need to have nitro finish as far as I?m concerned.
I would love to own an early 80?s MIJ 335, but as long as this isn?t some Chinese fake and the price is right I?m interested.

Let me know if you decide not to keep the guitar!

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:37 pm
by Koubayashi
januz wrote:Did you find time to check the finish with acetone?
By the way, when you looked at the bottom of the pickups, do you remember if the routing had this shape of the square in the pickup cavities like in a Tokai?

The guitar doesn?t need to have nitro finish as far as I?m concerned.
I would love to own an early 80?s MIJ 335, but as long as this isn?t some Chinese fake and the price is right I?m interested.

Let me know if you decide not to keep the guitar!
I don't want to apply acetone anywhere on the guitar :D
There is not really any good place on a 335.
Anyone has an idea?

The finish is very thin and that is what matters most.
Check your email about the Greco SA800!!

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:22 pm
by Mick51
Koubayashi wrote: I don't want to apply acetone anywhere on the guitar :D
There is not really any good place on a 335.
Anyone has an idea?
Under one of the p/up rings would be about the only place.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:28 am
by januz
Koubayashi wrote:
It would be impossible to sell a Japanese made 335 for 50000yen new even in Japan. The salaries and everything are too high for that.
This one obviously sold for 59,800 yen which seems logical as the price new is said to have been around 100,000 yen.


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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:32 am
by januz
I made an enquiry to Ishibashi regarding this guitar
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The reply read:

Thank you for your enquiry.

=315114605 RSA-100 --- 45,524Yen
I am aftraid to let you know this but thisa model is held by another customer...
I am terrible sorry such inconvenience.

However I will inform you the condition of the guitar first.
If you still would like this model, I put you on waiting list.

-Some scratches and dents could be seen.
-Hardwear parts looks clondy, they are dull and a little rusty.
-Neck condition is good.
-Fretwear could be seen, especially low position.
However approx.70-80% remains.
-Working condition is good.
-Serial number is "0212021", this model might be made in Japan.





Might be made in Japan...
Might just as well have been made in China then...

I suppose we?ll never know about the origin of these so called RSA100 Burnys.

Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:48 am
by leadguitar_323
Thats easy, made in China. I think it was John A who said these were great guitars for the price.

Mick